When did Tara and Ashland give up their Parental rights

[Lightdeb]

Kyle ordered Ashland to stay away from Harrison. Did Ashland give up his parental rights off screen? Tara's prison sentence should be done. What Jugge would take away this Woman's biological child and just hand him over, come on now YR, do better. That's some trifling writing Josh G.

[couplingchick]

Yeah I mean I have no issue with Kyle calling the shots at the moment as far as Ashland is concerned seeing as he gave away his kid basically for the last year just so he could fake dying of cancer to run a business scam so it’s not like Ashland has Harrison’s best interest at heart but Tara … as much as I can’t stand the dull and boring character she is Harrison’s mother so I hope it’s explained soon what’s going on with her … and if Kyle and Summer plan to take Harrison to visit her or what… no need for her character back imo as she was a total flop to begin with and is only half as interesting as her scheming ex Ashland but I would like them to explain what’s going on as far as who has what rights to Harrison.. I mean it’s obvious that both Kyle and Summer have grown close to the boy since they’ve spent the last year having raised him abroad so I don’t fault them for keeping Ashland at arms length seeing as Ashland had no problem whatsoever giving his little boy away in the first place father of the year he is not

[Lightdeb]

The Tara character exists offscreen. She does not have to come back but did she give up her rights to her son? I was just startled Ashland appears to have given up his rights. Plenty of lousy parents but their parental rights are not taken away is my point. They need to return Tara's son when she's out of the joint.

[couplingchick]

I’m not sure but it’s a question we’ve all wondered about and it’s odd they haven’t even mentioned it yet or addressed it

[CloverLeaf]

It's also out of character for the child to never once have asked where his Mommy is. He just went along with Kyle as if it were natural to be taken away from the woman he thought was his mother for all his life.

Obviously the writers find it easier to ignore things that dont work with their plan rather than find a plausible (yes, plausible) explanation.

[kirkelash]

I don't remember Tara or Ashland ever giving up their parental rights. I don't understand what right Kyle has to deny Ashland access to his son. The person whose name is on Harrison's birth certificate is his legal father until it's challenged in court and a judge rules in favor of Kyle being the legal father.

[Mariko]

Camille78 As much as I think Ashland is a self-serving slimy b****rd, I wouldn't trust Kyle and Summer to raise a goldfish let alone a child. They're as immature and self-entitled as they get.

[kirkelash]

It's a lot more complicated than seeing a lawyer and getting a new birth certificate. There's a process and it starts with DNA testing (which is a joke in Genoa City) then court filing, all three "parents" at a hearing and a judge to decide who loses or gains parental rights.

[PennyB]

I would like to see a new blood test for Harrison. I remember when Tara brought in her own nurse to take Kyle's blood...just wondering if she was anxious to prove that Ashland wasn't the father. Certainly Harrison has a strong emotional attachment to Ashland---and I don't think that his mother did anything bad enough to lost parental rights.

[zenmaster5]

I don't recall hearing that Tara or Ashland gave up their parental rights. I can't see Tara giving up her rights to her son, but Ashland is another story. After he got Harrison out of the country so that he could put his plans in motion to take Newman Enterprises, he forfeited his rights as far as I'm concerned.

[Angeldar]

I think Kyle spoke too soon. Ashland couild very easily file suit against Kyle for Harrison but, if you think about it, the child's parents are just no good. His mother had him with another man. Even though Ashland raised him for 4 years, he handed him over to Kyle like a used toy and for no good reason. He lied about an illness and that's what the excuse was at the time, that he couldn't take care of him because he was ill. His mother has been in jail and I assume she still is. So what judge would order a child back to those two? The only thing I question is how a boy of that age became so well adjusted with no issues as to the mother or father's whereabouts. Ashland told him he was ill, yes, but even so, a child will usually have issues from not seeing his parents and even being that far away from home. That part does not make sense to me. The whole shock in it would be if Ashland actually did request the child back and they did a paternity test and found the boy does indeed belong to Ashland.

[Soapfan54]

Harrison is well-adjusted because he was well-raised by Tara and Ashland. He didn't raise himself. Everybody has "issues" and there is no such thing as a perfect parent. Grown ups make mistakes but that doesn't make them any less of a parent nor love their children any less. Children know when they're loved and that is all that they care about or should care about, no matter what lousy adults try to make them think. Children have a bond w/their parents and that is why children always want their parents. I hope that it turns out that Kyle is not that child's father and that it rips his heart out. It is no less than he is willing to do to both Tara and Ashland.

Tptb are attempting to elevate the Golden Couple, but their method of operation is SERIOUSLY messed up. If they believe that the Abbotts taking a child away from the only parents he's known, makes them any better than the parents they claim are unfit, then they don't know W-T-H they're doing and seriously need to go back to writing school! Why don't they write the Couple having their OWN child instead of stealing someone else's? JMO

[kirkelash]

I totally agree with you Soapfan54. Harrison loves Tara and Ashland as the parents he has know all his life. Kyle and Summer are merely like the nanny(paid employee) who used to take care of him before he was taken to Italy. I'm puzzled though as to why Ashland is allowing Kyle to dictate when and if he can see Harrison.

[Soapfan54]

kirkelash "...I'm puzzled though as to why Ashland is allowing Kyle to dictate when and if he can see Harrison..."

IMO, Ashland is deliberately being written this way to portray the elitist, immature, and entitled Golden Couple as being "powerful." Ashland even asking to see his own son is absurdly contrived and unrealistic, even by soap suspension of disbelief standards

[WorldTurner]

Tara lost custody when she was arrested and Ashland gained full custody. She is likely in prison now. I wonder if we will learn Kyle got custody off screen or if there will be a fight over it coming.

[proudsoapfan]

Tara needs to come back and take back her son. She was loving to Harrison and Harrison loved her. I despise the whole Harrison never had an issue with being swept away to Italy and picked up on the language and accepted Kyle and Summer. Bleck ???

[YDoIStillWatch]

This never rung true for me either. There was never any indication Tara was neglectful or a bad mother. Harrison has had no issues never seeing his mother?

[Camille78]

Well, she would be an ex-con. I still would greatly prefer Harrison to remain with Kyle and Summer. I know Kyle's certainly not spotless, either, but he's much better than either Tara or Ashland.

[xoregonian]

I need to hear a couple of sentences in someone's dialogue that mentions who has legal custody of Harrison.

Nothing was really ever shown on screen and I don't need it to be, but I was sure Ashland would have said something to the effect of having some rights to see the kid, or he gave up all rights to legal be a guardian of the kid, SOMETHING, anything really.

Because this not knowing is ridiculous. They can't just leave us hanging on how Kyle has full parental control over the kid. There either needs to be some custody talk, or just put it to rest by saying that yes, Kyle has all of the control.

[CloverLeaf]

Exactly. The issue needs to be addressed, one way or the other, but it NEEDS to be addressed. On screen or off screen, makes no difference, but let's get an answer to who has legal custody of the child. Let's just not assume Kyle has taken care of that. Give us a definitive answer.

[rike]

Question is: have they officially/legally changed the Birth Certificate?
If not, Ashland is still the legal Parent Kyle would have no say.

[Mariko]

Even if they changed the birth certificate, that wouldn't change Ashland's legal status. In order for Kyle to obtain legal custody, he has to petition the court.

[Camille78]

When you change the birth certificate to conform to the biological father, it's done through the court, so no additional court petitions would be necessary.

[DebJN]

I thought Ashland letting Kyle take care of Harrison was supposed to be temporary while Ashland sought help for his cancer. I don’t know what Ashland’s future plans were once it came out that it was a scam about his having cancer. They never cleared that up because Kyle never knew about the scam. When Ashland didn’t object today about not being allowed to be with Harrison I was surprised.

[*BackstreetGem*]

They clearly came up with the whole cancer thing cause they didn't know if they were keeping Ashland and the Tara story was wrapped up cause Michael and Hunter's previous contract talks fell through, but the characters are back now and this needs to be addressed. Kyle and Summer are total a-holes for denying Ashland his rights. It's a huge plot hole. Kyle was in Italy, the court case would've had to have been filed and adjudicated in Wisconsin. They're not gonna do something like that remotely (this universe has no Covid, and even with it I can't see that) so IMO it wasn't done. Kyle and Summer are just with a kid that legally belongs to other people. It's insane.

[Camille78]

Well, Ashland had no problem letting Kyle take Harrison to Italy while he (Ashland) ran a scam on the Newmans, lied to Victoria, and pretended he was dying of cancer. Kyle is the good guy in this mess and he's the one who should have custody of Harrison.

[*BackstreetGem*]

Again, that could easily be spun, in court, that Ashland was trying to protect Harrison. Ashland would not be on trial, it would be a custody thing.

Kyle was the one who selfishly moved his child to a different continent to be with a woman.

[Camille78]

That woman is Kyle's wife.

[Chima]

Ashland is not going to stay just because Kyle says so and he knows it. Kyle is no match for Ashland.

[xoregonian]

They clearly came up with the whole cancer thing cause they didn't know if they were keeping Ashland and the Tara story was wrapped up cause Michael and Hunter's previous contract talks fell through, but the characters are back now and this needs to be addressed. Kyle and Summer are total a-holes for denying Ashland his rights. It's a huge plot hole. Kyle was in Italy, the court case would've had to have been filed and adjudicated in Wisconsin. They're not gonna do something like that remotely (this universe has no Covid, and even with it I can't see that) so IMO it wasn't done. Kyle and Summer are just with a kid that legally belongs to other people. It's insane.

I specifically remember Jack asking Kyle if he should get the Jabot attorneys working on Harrison's legal status. But that was a long time ago before Tara was imprisoned. They brushed it off at the time.

They need to bring it up one way or another. Ashland surely would have said something to Kyle today if Ashland has some sort of legal visitation with the kid. Or I'll give Ashland a day or two to bring it up either on the phone with his own attorneys, or with Victoria since she was lurking in the bushes watching that all go down with Kyle/Summer and Ashland.

[TwoOfEach]

Tara is in prison. Depending on how much she stole and whether the charges were federal or state, her sentence could be quite long. Tara has no custody and no decision-making power while she is incarcerated. Ashland is a bigger problem. I doubt Kyle and Summer could have taken Harrison to Italy without some kind of custody agreement. I'm just not sure what it is.

[Mariko]

We don't know Tara is in prison. When she left she was awaiting trial. That could have gone either way.

[CloverLeaf]

We never heard what ever happened to Tara. She was brought up on charges and could not leave NY. That's why she didnt have physical custody of Harrison. He was in GC. What ever happened to her or her parental rights, we dont know.

[Soapfan54]

Tara’s status re: her court case has not been stated other than she was out on bail and prohibited from leaving New York. Ashland stated this onscreen when he stated that he had Tara’s visitation terminated. But even if Tara were in prison, which hasn’t been stated, that would not terminate her status of being Harrison’s legal mother. An end run around a legal parent to obtain custody is not legally possible, even if they’re incarcerated. Tara would be required to sign off.