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I don't get this. It's posted on every thread about how much better Sally is at designing than Chelsea is and how much more product Sally has produced than Chelsea. Where is everyone getting this stuff from? Am I missing something here?....Since I don't and never have watched B&B, I don't care what she did over there and I don't think those of us who have never watched that should have to try to piece it together. From what I have seen since she had been on Y&R, she designed a dress for Victoria based on a private conversation while eavesdropping and went to great lengths to secure the proper measurements and then get a free flight to the site of the wedding in order to swap out the original dress. Ok, she lucked out, Vikki liked it, but she still has not much use for Sally. But that part is besides the point. We do not know what any of them are up to except they are all in the office working. We do not see or hear about anything that any of them are designing. I think we, as viewers, are expected to have enough imagination and common sense to just figure they are doing it. It's the same with any of those companies. We don't see what any of the employees are doing. So I do not understand the competition here on who is the best designer. It makes no sense.
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Chelsea has had design success in the past but has shown no effort to design since she has returned this time that we have seen or heard of.
Sally also has a lot design experience that some of us witnessed on B&B.
Since Sally came to GC she has been all about getting involved in fashion. We saw her working hard on the wedding dress and being successful. She has continued to come up with new design ideas only to be shot down by Chelsea without Chelsea even really considering them.
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YR has not established a large portfolio of designs for Sally. If the show wants to bring over all of “Sally” then show the YR viewers. She wouldn’t be the first character getting credit or having a story play out off screen but most viewers want to see not be told. We saw her sketching but that’s about it.
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As of now, NM does not have a fashion division; assuming the sale goes through. Victoria did not mention anything about propriety content when she axed the division. It appears that Chelsea and.Chloe are proposing to rebuild NM Fashion inside Fenmore’s. The question is, will C/C be allowed to take anything they built under NM to Fenmore’s ? If so, any designs that Sally submitted to the NM company might mean that C/C can take them along with the rest of the “stuff”.
But the surrogate story….. so anything goes on this show. Adam may argue those designs are Sally’s.Last edited by DallasGal; February 3, 2022, 06:25 PM.Comment
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We don't know if Sally's new job is designing. Victoria didn't want to be bothered with the whole fashion platform. Adam will play white knight to the chagrin of Victor and Victoria. I think his confiding with Sally is going to blow up badly.Comment
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Adam said he hasn’t even created Sally’s job yet but it won’t be fashion because Victoria doesn’t want it or she would have kept NM Fashions. I bet one of the reasons it got axed was it was sort of Adam’s baby. I would be surprised if she allows any fashion stuff.Comment
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It may be unfair of the writers to expect people who never watch B&B to know a character’s backstory but that is the case here. Sally had her own fashion house. She had great success until Bill Spencer on B&B burned her out then demolished her building with her trapped in it. She designed for Forrester Creations both for haute couture and a line she herself created. She is very talented and unlike Chelsea knows what is good for business. She also learns from her mistakes. All she wants is an even shot in GC but she keeps hitting brick walls…some brought on herself but some not.
Chelsea’s vindictive childishness certainly is not good for business. Chelsea’s designs are small stuff compared to what Sally does. But you haven’t seen any of that. Yet it is a fact. And while neither woman is of sterling character, Chelsea is vindictive and nasty and doesn’t think about what’s good for the company or for her career. Chelsea threw Sally to the dogs. Chloe wouldn’t have had the fashion platform in the position it’s in if not for Sally and her talent and hard work and creativity and dogged energy; therefore Chelsea wouldn’t have had that position available to her to return to and relaunch her career.
At least Sally…while I don’t condone her motive…arranged for Summer to get a fabulous job and land in rose petals. All Chelsea could do was kick Sally to the curb. For personal reasons.
But I understand your not wanting to consider any of Sally’s history because it happened on another show. However when characters crossover, their history comes with them even when viewers don’t know it.Comment
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That's why most of the people who don't like her didn't watch her on BnB. They really don't know Sally, where she came from, how hard she's had to fight. If they would go back and watch her on BnB, they'd have more respect and understanding for her. Wish they could put some of her BnB scenes on YnR as things she thinks about.
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Sally told Adam to take the job at Newman Media some one day when Victoria falls he will be there to take over the entire Newman Enterprise so Sally's job will be ease dropping behind walls and doors and taking video's to run back and report to Adam. Her job is to find a way to become the next Mrs. Adam Newman.
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Sally will probably just be the face of a social media platform and they'll have her "trending" everything. She can easily do that, and it doesn't have to be all (or non) fashion-related.Originally posted by DallasGal View Post
Sally can be the new influencer. lolComment
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As far as I can tell, the debate is who has a better, bigger portfolio, Chelsea or Chloe. It’s been established that Sally is a designer. At this point, neither has presented a portfolio for the viewers to determine who is better.Comment
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They are never going to spring for a bunch of clothing racks and models like BB to actually showcase what these ladies design.
I don't need to see dresses and portfolios to know that all of these women have designed at different times and are probably perfectly capable. I used to hate everything Chelsea designed, so I'm glad to not see any of that stuff again.Comment
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If Sally's fashion past accomplishments shouldn't come with her then her negative actions from the other show shouldn't count either. Sally came to this show for a fresh start...she was robbed of that in a B &B crossover where another character told what Sally had done to her but never told what she did to Sally. Sally is the neice of Fashion Designer Sally Spectra the 1st who she is name after. Sally Spectra 1 has also been on Y&R.
But at Y &R Sally did great work per Lauren and Designed a dress that was a big hit not to mention all her other work at NF Chelsea hasn't designed a thing since she has been back...in fact she just chases Adam and uses her son. How long has it been since Chelsea designed anything?Comment
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They are doodling dresses. Only one dress went public and was Victoria's. We don't know that they aren't designing clothes for Target or something. LOL Chloe and Sally have been working there for months.
It's like Tess; we know she sings but I certainly don't need nor want to hear her sing on the show all the time (or at all).
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They may be able to take the few ideas they had for the fashion division with them to Fenmore's, but they won't be able to use Sally's idea that they pitched to Lauren.Originally posted by DallasGal View Post
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Well, whether you watched her on BnB or not, Sally's history there is a part of who she is. She had her own design company, she was Internationally known in the fashion world and she was a designer who could produce both wacky way out fashion and classic fashion. She has already achieved way over what Chelsea has.Originally posted by Angeldar View Post
Also, I loved the "Easter egg" today when she told Adam she couldn't even go to the beach. (At one time she was homeless and lived on the beach)
I'm sorry you don't know from watching BnB more of Sally's back story, but believe Sally when she tells people about her achievements. That is who she is.Comment
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Originally posted by Angeldar View Post
Both have had success as designers. Chloe and Lauren knew of Sally and her designs and mentioned this early on. I believe others did as well.
But I don't understand the comparisons of designs either. It's been awhile since either has designed or shown any work beyond Sally's wedding dress. And Chelsea had a point about it being old news at this point. They have totally different aesthetics as far as I remember. And as you noted here on Y&R the only design of Sally's viewers have seen is the gown.
This all boils down to character preference and another rivalry of women to play off of for TIIC and writers. And they will exploit it.Comment
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Oh yes, you have an excellent way of summing it all up and explaining it way better than I did! It's not really about who designed what, it's about CHARACTER PREFERENCE. If you like Sally then you believe her work beats all and vice versa with Chelsea. I don't care for either of these women so likely why I am not seeing one designing better over the other but the last line "this all boils down to character preference" says it all. Thanks. -
Dakotacat Sally has certainly had more recognition. I don't recall Chelsea creating as much buzz around herself or her designs. And to me it seems Sally is more passionate about designing and being successful. To me her passion seems to match Chloe's passion and enthusiasm more than Chelsea. I think Chloe would have gotten further in her business with Sally. But we will see.
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I agree, it is rather unfair to assume that those that watch Y&R also watch B&B, so I will review what has been shown on Y&R.
Chelsea had success with her first line, and ultimately released Chelsea 2.0. On Y&R she is established as a designer. However, she hasn't done anything fashion-wise in a very long time, and since she's returned, she hasn't done much other than kill Sally's ideas.
When Sally came to Y&R in search of a job with Lauren, Lauren established her previous success as a designer and her connection to her Aunt Sally's fashion house. Later, when she met Summer, Summer (who was also supposed to be in fashion) had no idea who she was. Her only design on Y&R was the wedding dress, but also on Y&R, that one dress alone generated enough buzz that she rode it for promo and it elevated Newman Fashion. There's been no scenes of her designing anything new since the dress.
I believe the comparisons are coming from the fact that fashion is fleeting, and Sally is the "hot new thing", while Chelsea has been out of the game for a while.Comment
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Angeldar That's why I didn't say that one was better than the other. I am saying that one is the "hot new thing" since she had ridden the success from that dress for a long time. Chelsea hasn't done much in a while. Yes, they are both designers, but one designed last summer, and the other was much further back. Chelsea 2.0 was years ago.
Also, I brought up Summer as a means to review what has been said about Sally's design experience on Y&R. Summer didn't recognize the name when she met Sally, and Summer was also in fashion on some level, which can lead one to believe that while Sally had experience, she wasn't a recognizable name. My goal in bringing up Summer wasn't about the manipulations involved.
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