Many questions about Finn's "death"

[~scarlett~]

The shooting storyline has been one of the laziest writing for B&B in recent memory full of plot holes and inconsistencies. Unfortunately it seems to get worse and worse and the latest episode just left me more confused than ever.

The last we saw of Finn, the medics had pulled a sheet over his head and wheeled him away. Deacon was told Finn was dead and so he passed on the message to others. Yesterday we learn the medics felt a weak pulse in the ambulance but that he had no brain activity and now could no longer be "revived". So here are my questions:
1. If Finn was declared deceased at the scene and a sheet was pulled over, why would they be checking his pulse in the ambulance? They should have been heading to the morgue.
2. Am I to understand they tried to revive him in the ambulance but gave up and declared him dead again?
3. If the doctor said he cannot be revived, does that mean his brain has been without oxygen for far too long to ever come back? If so, why would B&B put this line in as we all know Finn will wake up and be perfectly fine again?
4. During the flashback scene with Li and the doctor, Finn was not hooked to any machine getting oxygen. How long was he without breathing support until Li finally managed to get him wherever they are now? It is pretty preposterous that the doctors could not revive Finn but hours later Li is able to get his heart beating again with no concern Finn would be brain dead by now.
5. Li said she "smuggled" Finn's body out of the hospital but also that she signed the death certificate. Why would she need to smuggle Finn out? I imagine that since Steffy was incapacitated, she would be the next in line to claim Finn's body? And if she had no right to claim Finn's body and had to smuggle him out then why has no one reported Finn's body missing or told Steffy about it as soon as she woke up? Does no one care at the hospital? I mean it is almost as absurd as Taylor's dead body being stolen by Prince Omar and then revived but at least Omar substituted real Taylor with a doll which apparently was so well crafted that no one could tell the difference. Li didn't even bother with that.

I get that it is a soap but surely it could have been written a little better? This just has a Frankenstein feel to it since Finn was dead for far too long before Li tried to revive him again. Maybe that is the actual story that has never been done before. Finn wakes up as a zombie or half living/half dead. Li will have created a monster she will then be unable to contain. That should spice up Finn's character

As a side note, I am glad Steffy finally brought up Finn's memorial service with Li. While Li claimed she will do what she wants with Finn's "ashes", Steffy should put her foot down here because as Finn's wife, she has the right to decide not Li.

[Teaday13]

apparently the doctor said Finn had no brain activity and was declared dead, ughh. They could have kept him at the hospital on life support but Li took it upon herself to care for Finn. It is weird. Also, Sheila being a nurse checked for a pulse on both Steffy and Finn before she left - that is weird too. Maybe Finn will return as a ghost and look after Steffy/Hayes. Before had some hope Finn could return but now not so sure.

[viennagirl]

I only saw Sheila checking Steffy's pulse (at the neck)
- but then Sheila got on her gloves and seemed to try to clean her fingerprints from Steffy's neck,
and then Sheila only touched Steffy's and then Finn's hands to remove the rings (and make it seem like a robbery).


It had been weird, because Sheila, a nurse, never had made any attempt to help or check out her son's injury. (Not even checking him for a pulse).

Sheila only had been focused on
- stopping Steffy
- and later on cleaning the crime scene of any traces of herself/
- staging it as if it had been robbery.

[Mariko]

It makes ZERO sense whatsoever. As you said, he was declared dead at the scene and covered up. There's absolutely no reason they would've paid a bit of attention to the body in the ambulance ride, All there focus would have been on getting Steffy to the ER, and then taking the body to the morgue afterwards, And if like the doctor said he has no brain activity, that means he's brain dead. There's absolutely NO WAY to come back from that. This whole "twist" is absolutely ridiculous.

[Muggsy1]

Agreed..it’s beyond ridiculous. If there is a “quote murder” an autopsy would be performed. Also why mother in charge of body? Next of kin is wife? So stupid. This is another reason this show fails

[Soappro]

The writers probably didn’t figure anyone would notice.
Ha ha it’s all a mess

[bluejazz]

They aren't even trying to get close, just like the scenes with Steffy in the hospital.

But the show is doing a terrible disservice to any and all viewers in how they just presented someone being declared brain dead and then whoops, alive. This is a fear that people have with regards to organ donation, that they could actually be declared brain dead yet come back to life and it affects #s of donors. But the show is presenting this as a real situation and perpetuating the spread of medical misinformation.

Brain death is irreversible and there are criteria to be met for that to be said. Finn did not meet those very very obviously. Anyone knowledgeable could look at him and say nope, not brain dead. Nor was any ancillary testing shown.

I really have problems when the show actively shows and spreads disinformation that can affect organ donation.

[AnnMagda]

You make a good point. The show really shouldn't blur the line between "brain dead" and "comatose".

The attention to medical detail in this storyline has been horrible even for a soap. Steffy was unconscious for two weeks - did we ever get an explanation why?

And I had to laugh when her family lamented how horrible it was to see her "hooked up to all those machines" when all she had (that we could see) was a nasal cannula and a pulse oximeter.

[bluejazz]

I submitted feedback to CBS regarding their spreading of medical misinformation.

And yes, Steffy and "all those machines" made me laugh. And Taylor is a doctor. I realize she practices outside the hospital but surely she's entered a real critical care unit at some point and knows to not overdramatize a little O2 and a monitor. I think the Tridge family is being presented a bit too much as fragile flowers who break easily.

[Mariko]

@blueejazz Considering she was originally an oncologist, I imagine she has. But, that part of her past seems to have been completely forgotten about when she became an insta-world renowned psychiatrist.

[NuttyAboutSoaps]

They purposely wrote it this way to throw off the audience. They said enough for us to believe that Finn was dead. Now that we know that he is alive, many of those details don't make sense.

For example, if Finn was declared dead, no one would have done a scan to detect brain activity. There would have been no point. They would have simply sent his body to the hospital morgue, where Li could have whisked it away.

I guess that's the only point that really bothers me. You can't determine a total lack of brain activity without a scan, which they do NOT perform in an ambulance.

That being said, I am willing to let it slide for the sake of the storyline. But, I understand why it ticks people off who work in the medical field.

[NuttyAboutSoaps]

At this point, I don't know anything more than you do. LOL But, here is my interpretation. Initially, Finn was declared dead. However, during transport, someone on the ambulance detected a faint pulse. Li automatically took over and arranged to have him brought to a different hospital.

But, she didn't tell anyone that Finn was still alive. Instead, she signed the death certificate, confirmed his death to everyone, and assumed responsibility for his care on her own.

How could this happen? My speculation: the ambulance driver assumed that Li arranged for the ER to take over his care. They left him with her (a doctor) and went on their next call. The Forresters (and everyone else at Bridget's hospital) didn't question anything because they were too worried about Steffy. They simply accepted the fact that Finn was dead. And, by the time that anyone wanted to see Finn's body or discuss a funeral, she claimed to have had him cremated.

I don't know if all of those details are correct, but it's what I'm going with. The EMTs entrusted Finn to Li, who scammed everyone.

[bluejazz]

None of it makes sense. They put Finn on a gurney covered up so he should have been picked up by the coroner's office van and transported to the city/county morgue for the post.

If he was loaded into an ambulance, then there should have been treatment started including putting him on a monitor first thing. I've seen them start resuscitation while the person still laying on the ground. That monitor goes on. It would show a pulse and they then intubate and start lines and load him up and GO.

And I've covered the total inaccuracy of declaring no brain activity while he was laying there breathing.

[NuttyAboutSoaps]

Bluejazz, you have definitely noted where the story went wrong. If he was in the coroner's van, no one would have checked him for a pulse. And, if he was in an ambulance, they would have been monitoring his vitals.

The story only makes sense (to me, at least), if Finn was in an ambulance and Li heard about the pulse. Why would she have been in the coroner's van?

I wonder if they will ever give us enough details to reconcile this.

[~scarlett~]

Another observation- Li got to the hospital where Steffy was brought in pretty fast (it happened at the same time Deacon was telling Hope, Brooke and Liam that Steffy and Finn had been shot). This means she really had to act fast to sign Finn's death certificate, smuggle him out, hook him up to some machines and then rush to the hospital again. Li is highly efficient.

[Candyjo]

The hole I'm trying to figure out also is, that this is the first time we are hearing the Finn was taken to a different hospital. When Sheila was wanting to see the body, nothing was said about him being taken to a different hospital.

I guess it should have been a clue though when at the hospital Li told Sheila "He is my son, and I am taking care of him."

[Appaloosagrl]

It's another hasty, sloppy rewrite!!!

[Isis]

This entire story has obviously not been thought out and assumes that we the viewers are stupid. Another question is how the heck is Li going to have the authority to have Finn cremated without Taylor, Ridge, Steffy or even Sheilia questioning it,. B&B please make a public announcement that your show inflates reality with fantasy in its stories.

[TooFree4You]

Eh I’m willing to suspend all logic and reason at this point. Kind of like how Ridge couldn’t tell it was a dummy and not a real Taylor in the coffin? Or that Storm would shoot his own sister because Ashley Abbott turned him down?Then kill himself in the hospital?
Or that no DNA test was done on ‘Beth’ at all to determine if DR OB Lying Paris’ daddy was telling the truth?
Or that Sheila, an infamous notorious psychopath meets Jack who impregnates her? And she willingly gives this child to Jack and doesn’t stalk him? Ever? Sheila? Who stalked Lauren Fenmore’s son who she stole and thought of as hers?

[Boldfan4ever]

at the end of the day, the more we over think it the less we enjoy the storyline.

[NuttyAboutSoaps]

ITA. Which is why I am willing to go with it to a certain extent. If the payoff is good, I will overlook the details..

[viennagirl]

5. Li said she "smuggled" Finn's body out of the hospital but also that she signed the death certificate. Why would she need to smuggle Finn out? I imagine that since Steffy was incapacitated, she would be the next in line to claim Finn's body? And if she had no right to claim Finn's body and had to smuggle him out then why has no one reported Finn's body missing or told Steffy about it as soon as she woke up? Does no one care at the hospital? I mean it is almost as absurd as Taylor's dead body being stolen by Prince Omar and then revived but at least Omar substituted real Taylor with a doll which apparently was so well crafted that no one could tell the difference. Li didn't even bother with that.

The stories always are lacking if you look too closely at it.

Someone said that with Stephanie and Omar it was more believable because they are rich and so they could easily arrange matters - but still it is silly if you consider that for years they again and again succeeded in getting medical personal in LA to do their bidding and to lie to the families of the patient, forged death certificates, allowed patients to be taken by someone else....

For decades it had been easy for characters to find someone to help them
- even if they were just "trailer trash" like Amber's mother - and still able to bribe a lab tech)
and never a medical character outing them or calling the authorities/ police to inform them about that criminal offer/ offer to bribe.... .

LA really secretly being one of the most corrupted places in the world.

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-) Omar allowed to take a married but comatose woman he had no ties with by blood or law,
they family being lied to and a death certificate being signed, a dummy being put into the coffin - and all the family members taking their goodbye but not realizing that it was just a doll


- )Stephanie faking a heart attack, and a doctor being willing to help her and to forge the test results, lie to the patients family ..... because of a bribe

Mark: Stephanie Forrester -- she never had a heart attack. I just helped her make it look that way.

Mark: But how would I know what she was after? I mean, my oath says, "first, do no harm." Letting the hospital's biggest benefactor pretend she was worse off than she actually was -- who was it gonna hurt?


- )everyone able to watch Felicia "dying" at the Forrester Mansion, when Stephanie then brought "dead" Felicia somewhere else for experimental treatment,
and the doctor then was able to continue the treatment
(when before that Felicia had told him she does not want to continue treatment, wants to go home to die with her family around her)

Stephanie: Honey, I thought she died in my arms. I went with her in the ambulance because I just couldn't let go. I mean, miracle of miracles -- the paramedics found a pulse, and I had them immediately take her down to the clinic where Dr. Ramirez was, because I had already been talking to them about a liver transplant.
Thorne: So you let us go on and on about her death at the party and you didn't say anything?
Eric: Your mother felt that it was best to keep Felicia's condition a secret for awhile.

Christian (Felicia's doctor): There was no guarantee the chemo and the liver transplant would result in a positive outcome.
Ridge: I didn't think you wanted to go through the chemo anymore.
Felicia: Well, lucky for me, mother never gave a damn about what I thought.



-) Reese able to kidnap spontaneously a patient's baby on Catalina and to bring that baby to his own place (and call Flo), while then calling people in the US to help him to forge a birth certificate (for his adoption scam).

- )Bill for years able to get Californian or other doctors abroad to participate in his schemes and ignore their ethical rules
(MRI scam in Cabo, his doctor friend Montgomery continuing that scam in LA and lying to fellow doctor Taylor)

Dr. Montgomery: Whose M.R.I is that?
Bill: It ain't Steffy's, and that's all that matters. I need my son to be attentive to his wife until he gets over his ex-fiance. That M.R.I. is my insurance policy. I'll see you soon.

- )Amber and her mother finding a lab guy who quickly was willing to manipulate the DNA test to let Bill and Liam think that Amber was carrying Liam's baby

- Thomas's friend Vinny manipulating a DNA test and risking his job, to help to get his friend the married woman Thomas had been in love with for a while.

-) the egg mix-up and the hospital just trying to cover it up

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Regardless of how "good" they at times forged documents and faked matters - it still seems weird that they always find someone willing to risk his/her job and a prison sentence.

[afinebalance]

Yes we have to suspend belief in many of the stories we see on t.v. However, there have been "miracles" of people that have come back to life after being declared dead in real life. Sorry I can't remember any examples.

[ABeth]

I am just so happy Finn is alive. I’m not to concerned about the details. It does make sense that his doctor mother could somehow have him and be looking after his medical care.

[Katbert]

Finn might be brain dead after going without oxygen for some time, but his blood pressure is a perfect 120/80.

[Boldfan4ever]

I am just so happy Finn is alive. I’m not to concerned about the details. It does make sense that his doctor mother could somehow have him and be looking after his medical care.

yep agree 100 per cent - cant wait for the SINN reunion