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There are several of them to other posters.^^
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No.. I meant my rant, not you, Shark. There are several of them to other posters.^^
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"Liam is a user and abuser and Hope is his victim."
Completely disagree. Hope is the user and abuser from the start. She used sex to tease Liam. She constantly demanded things from him that she every gave. She made promises she never kept. She dumped him at least 15 times over the years and when he moved on to Steffi or Ivy she got upset and decided to try to break up those relationships. Hope admitted to Liam that she "use Wyatt to punish" Liam. She tried Liam like a toy she woudl play with, get bore, toss aside and then thrown a hissy and demanded her toy back when someone else picks him up.
IMO As bad as Liam is. Hope is significantly worse and has treated Liam worst.Comment
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I wish that Steffy would hit her head again and she forgets about the life she had with Liam. I want someone to relay the past 5 years to her as she stares in horror. It'll be great to hear her say, "I wasted all that time... for that?!" I want sobbing in the shower and deep regret. I want to see Liam pick Kelly up at Ridge's house because Steffy doesn't want to be bothered with him.
I'm not saying this because I want Steffy to suffer.
I want this because Liam is not only undeserving of Steffy's love. He's undeserving of her loyalty and friendship.Comment
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Liam as Kelly's father leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth that, if I were writing this, Taylor snuck into the paternity lab and changed Kelly's paternity from Bill to Liam.
It is so sad to watch Kelly being treated like an afterthought as Steffy grovels for any crumbs that Liam throws Kelly's way. In fact, it's disgusting.
If Kelly were Bill's she'd be his little princess and the center of his world. If she remains Liam's redheaded stepchild, she will live in Beth's shadow. Brooke and Hope will see to that. Unfortunately, Steffy raised Beth for the first eight months of her life, so she will be too blinded by her own affection for Beth to see it and be a proper advocate for Kelly.
That's why Bill needs to be Kelly's father. He's a force to contend with. Kelly needs a powerful parent who is passionately devoted to her to help her addle-witted mother to raise her. -
If Kelly were Bill's, he would immediately start in on trying to control her life--that's what he does with all his kids. And she and Steffy would never have another moment's peace because he'd be constantly interfering. Kelly's better off with no father, or an absentee father, than an overbearing control freak trying to monitor her ever breath and doing anything he had to do to get his own way with regard to how she's raised.
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She was seeing Liam behind Wyatt's back while she was pregnant and pining for him. She played them against each other and created that mess to begin with and of course in the end cried they were robbed.Originally posted by Bill824 View Post
I was so glad when she left.Comment
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All of the romantic relationships on the show are questionable, imo, not just Lope. You either buy into the couple or you don't. I mean, Steffy and Liam aren't any healthier as a couple than Lope, nor is Bridge or Batie or really any other couple I can think of. They all have their ups and downs. So my point is that Lope gets singled out but they're no worse than any other long term couple on the show. Even Eric and Stephanie struggled a lot over the years.Comment
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Hope is no victim. She's a self centered sociopath who expects to get everything she wants and throws a tantrum when she doesn't. Liam is just not very smart. Of course the writing for them is ridiculously one-sided and that's why they are never held responsible for anything. It's always someone else's fault.
Lope are mindnumbingly dull and uncharismatic as a couple and that's because there is not an ounce of sexual or romantic chemistry between the actors SC and AN. None. It's just painful to watch Liam and Hope try to muster up some semblance of romance when they have nothing more than a brother/sister rapport.
There are a lot of things to dislike about Lope for me but I might have given them the benefit of the doubt if I could detect a certain spark between them. For a couple whose entire existence hinges on being 'kept apart', there is little to no sexual tension between them. I never saw any believable yearning or longing for each other which is what would make me root for for them to get back together. Whining about Thomas and about being 'robbed' will never generate any romance. A star-crossed lovers story with no sexual tension is a waste of time.
***Oh, and when I say sexual chemistry, I'm not just referring to sex or sex scenes. It also includes things like body language, looks/mutual eye contact, playful banter, ease of communication etc. From what I've seen Lope have none of it.Last edited by Ella Munroe; May 16, 2020, 07:03 AM.Comment
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What bothers me is that TIIC can't write any storylines for Hope/Liam, unless Steffy and/or Thomas are involved. They are the forever victims. Both have a false sense of who the other is. It's always someone else's fault that they can't get their ISH together. Never bought they were ever in love. Just in love with the idea of each other. When things don't go right in this little fantasy they build up in their heads, they break up. Basically Hope is Nell Fenwick to Liam's Dudley Do Right. If you're as old as me, you know that Nell wasn't in love with Dudley. She was in love with his horse.
Another thing that bothers me is Hope's "my way or the highway" attitude. If things don't go right in her perfect little world, she bails. She always want do overs, which explains her many attempts at weddings. I also have an issue with Liam's attitude, when it comes to Hope. He has no standards when it comes to Hope. Why does he put up with her nonsense and her drama? It's like he's afraid to upset her. Why isn't it an issue with him that she has no relationship with his daughter Kelly? Why isn't that a deal breaker for him? That bugs me more than anything. In fact for Liam, Kelly and Beth need to be his top priority. He's like some women, who choses men over their kids. He's basically choosing Hope over Kelly. He can be a father to both kids without being with their mothers.
Hope/Liam are just duller than dirt with ZERO chemistry. There aren't any fun moments TIIC can flashback to with them. I agree with whoever said this is nothing more than Hope vs Steffy. Their mom's battle it out over Ridge for many years. I wasn't watching during those years, but it's clear that TIIC want the next generation to do the same. If the show is still around, there will most likely be a Beth vs Kelly battle next.
Frankly, I think both need a good shrink. Both need to get to the root of their behavior. Why Hope lives in fantasy land and why Liam treats her with kid gloves? And why they can't seem to work as a couple? Until that happens, I will NEVER buy them as the couple to root for. No matter how many times TIIC try to convince me otherwise.Comment
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Well I'm just glad Steam isn't together. At least with Lope you knew they both wanted to be together. I always believed that Steffy was a place holder for Hope and it was painful to watch. Steffy stinks of desperation, where Liam is concerned.Comment
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Actually B-Hold what was shown on screen was Liam backpedaled like crazy once he found out Hope was pregnant. He told Wyatt that Hope being pregnant changed thinks. Liam hasn't given Steffy even a side eye since. What will it take to prove Liam wants Hope? Steffy gets it. Shouldn't Steam fans?
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I’m shocked at the amount of Liam defenders in these comments... have Hope and Steffy made mistakes? Yes they have, but Liam is the one who can’t commit and plays their emotions.Comment
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Bill and Steffy did love each other deeply. They understood each other. Katie was only trying to change Bill, Steffy accepted him as he was. She understood his way of thinking. Bill made a mistake choosing Katie over Steffy. Katie is broken and messed up and let’s her fears control her. -
I would be interested in knowing what Liam's life was like growing up. What was his mother like and did she shape his views about women? They seem to be warp in my opinion. Unless I missed it, I'm having a real hard time understanding how he can be attracted to a woman like Steffy and a woman like Hope. These two are total opposites. He has high standards for Steffy. But has none for Hope, why? Why does he treat her with kid gloves?
The writing for Liam is really bad and unbalanced.
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Because it is really easy for people to come between people in love if they let others too close to them. Best friend, ex wife, sister etc. Brother etc. A major illness or losing a child.Comment
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Come between them?All it takes is for Liam or Hope to go looking for the other to talk before throwing themselves at otehrs. Instead, they immediatly turn to someone else, give up on each other in a heartbeat, don't even bother making the very least effort to try to make it work, showing how shallow and fake their feelings actually are.
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Biggest problem with lope is that they always draw others into their crap instead of just deciding to stay and work through their issues or end things and move on. They really just need to stay together because theyve never beenb truly happy together and i really enjoy that.Last edited by Soapwatcher7; May 17, 2020, 10:49 AM.Comment
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Great post. They really do have a sibling like relationship. Hope's return didn't do her character any favors, and certainly not offense to the lovely actress who plays her.Originally posted by Ella Munroe View Post
Hope is just generally a disapproving younger woman who wet blankets everything she comes into contact with. Fortunately for her, Liam isn't very bright.Comment
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My problem with Lope is that they're stuck on stupid when they're together. It's like they're dopey lovestruck teenagers who expect that their lives are going to be an endless episode of The Love Boat. But the moment a real issue happens, they fall apart. They're too old to be this dumb about how life works anymore, and honestly, when they're with other people, the characters have been more adult and more interesting--or at least KM's Hope was more interesting with Wyatt. AN's version has had no opportunity to do much of anything but play the victim, so it's harder to tell with her. Really, as bad as the writing was for KM's Hope, it's even worse for AN's Hope.Comment
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Steffy just wants to be loved by Batman so she limits herself. He loves her in his way but he's not in love with her. That honor is reserved for the devine Miss Dope.Originally posted by Bill824 View PostComment
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Liam & Hope are toxic. All they do is infect people around them with their toxicity. It’s not love, it’s sick and twisted, just like Ridge & Brooke. People like Liam & Hope think the world revolves around them and if other people get hurt, oh well too bad for them. They only see what they want to see. Hope thinks she has everyone fooled but I think deep down she’s the same as her mother and unfortunately for Liam he’s more like Ridge than his father. -
Not just steffy, jo woman on this show who isnt a logan is allowed to find real love. The non logan women can only have a man in theif lives if yhe logan soman he worships doesnt currently want him.
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Bill824 Ita. Lope is toxic and they have infected Steffy to the point of no return unless she stands up for her bro with Ridge and Eric.Comment
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Bill824 - Except for Hope was unhappy and crying over being pregnant by her husband Wyatt. I actually think Hope likes to be unhappy becasue that gives her attention. The kind of attention she gave her her mother over Brooke's failed relationships. Hope told her therapist that she had to comfort her mother when her mother was crying over failed relationships. -
Steffy left them alone after her first narriage ended, it has been them that wont leave her alone. It was clearly dhown after jmw had left the show, liam continued calling her and told her about the discovery of wyatt. On july 4th he ditched his true love date to talk for a few miutes to a woman he didnt love. Both jmw and km made guests appearances after they'd left the show. Its a bad argument that hs only remembered steffy because km wasnt on tne show when a precedent had clearly been set that liam could stay in touch if he wanted. Liam clearly had no interest in maintaining any contact with her because wgen anyone asked him he claimed to have no contact. It wasnt until after the recast that she claimed to have exchanged christmas cards. Additionally, if bell wanted to show that she was liams true love, km did do a guest appearance when it was shown steffy called her and asked her was liam with her after steffy thought something was wrong with liam. She obviously was kerpimg up with them because she was snotty to steffy and asked whyvwas she cslling about luam since she was engaged to wyatt, ,more hypocrisy.
Steffy bad for going after a married or engaged man even if she never had sex with them. Others are good for having sex with engaged and married men and even producing children from adulterous relationships are good.
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