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    Despite the Popforbreakfast's "Guidelines Reminder" that's still stuck to the board, and my own very specific post about nicknames very early in that thread, we continue to have problems. I'm copying my original post here, with a new thread and thread title -- so we're clear. Please take the time to review the nickname policy and to ask questions, if you need additional clarification. Posters who continue to violate the nickname policy may risk having their posting privileges restricted.

    August 8th, 2018, 04:27 PM

    CHARACTER NICKNAMES


    The nicknames "Hopeless, Rebound and Critter" may not be repeatedly used as a substitute for a character's name. If a nickname is directly pertinent to the topic being discussed, then it might be permissible (such as Hope seeming to be "hopeless" about a specific situation in a specific storyline), but even then it cannot be repeated in every single post as a replacement name. A possible exception to "critter" might be when it's used affectionately (not in a derogatory manner) in a post such as "such a cute little critter", having already identified the baby as a baby and by name earlier in the post.

    Here is what the AMC moderators posted a number of years ago about our policy on character nicknames and it still applies:


    Our policy on nicknames is based on the guidelines. Essentially, to boil it down, a nickname must be used in context of the show and/or thread discussion, it cannot be used as a replacement for a character's name in every single post about that character, and it can't be used for baiting purposes. Here is a more in-depth explanation of using nicknames that has been posted as an advisory, from time to time, and a few of the guidelines that are important to keep in mind when considering the use of a nickname:


    *Any personal attacks or mean-spirited remarks about the performers are not permitted.

    *Do not post inflammatory messages just to upset people.

    *Racial, ethnic, sexual and/or gender based insults slurs or derisive comments will not be tolerated. Additionally, no pornographic, sexually explicit or obscene posts will be permitted.



    Instead of posting a specific list of which names are allowed, and which names aren't, we wanted to describe, in broader terms, the types of names that can't be used.


    Nicknames that are NOT permitted:

    Nicknames with racist, ethnic or religious undertones.

    Nicknames that are obscene.


    Nicknames that demean sexual orientation.

    Nicknames that incite political or moral debates.

    Nicknames that reflect negatively on the actors.

    Nicknames that are not within the context of the character's history or actions.

    Nicknames that attempt to bypass the language filter.

    A nickname is not to be used as a replacement for the character's name, especially if it is derisive.

    Tagging on words such as "ho" and "skank".


    Morality is completely subjective, based upon the personal beliefs of each individual on this forum. Tagging on "ho" to a character's name does not move the discussion forward, and needlessly antagonizes fanbases. If you feel that a character is sexually promiscuous, you can discuss this opinion in an appropriate post, but you don't need to remind everyone of your views by using the "ho" tag at the end of the characters name every time you post. Not all discussions are about a character's sexual history. (Note: This rule is similar to the one just above which prohibits the replacement of a character's name with a derisive one. Tagging "ho" onto a character's name is different from posting that a character exhibited skanky behavior, which is allowed.)
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  • #2
    When this came up on the GH board, I remember that we could use nicknames the show had used.

    Critter was used as a pet name by Hope and Liam for their unborn baby. Why would that not be acceptable?

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    • B&B blonde
      B&B blonde commented
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      Hope did call her baby this once in a conversation with Liam and has not since used that term.but IMO some posters are using the term in a derogatory manner.

    • bluejazz
      bluejazz commented
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      I liked Esmerelda. They called the baby that the other day.

    • B&B blonde
      B&B blonde commented
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      Esmerelda sounds nice but I think they were joking.

  • #3
    Yes, you can use nicknames that have been used on the show, but you can't substitute them as a replacement for the actual name in every post about the character, and you can't use them in a derogatory manner.
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    • bluejazz
      bluejazz commented
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      Thanks for clarifying. And since the baby has no real name as yet....

      Esmerelda ok?

  • #4
    If it's not okay to use insulting nicknames or attach words like "ho" or "skank" to character names, why is it apparently okay to use the nickname "CrayTay," which has been used frequently as of late, or to use other derogatory words to refer to the mental state of a character who's clearly supposed to be on the verge of a mental/emotional breakdown and who has been in therapy for having mental/emotional issues? Is it okay to make fun of characters for being sick? If Taylor were physically ill rather than mentally ill, would it be okay to make fun of her condition and come up with a sarcastic nickname that included her condition? I find that kind of behavior particularly offensive because the social attitudes toward mental illness keep too many people from seeking help because they feel to do so would make them seem weak, and the results of their not getting help are often disastrous for themselves and others. Also, so far as I know, no one on the show has ever used the name "CrayTay" to refer to Taylor.

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    • SoapsBurn
      SoapsBurn commented
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      Thank you so very much. The insensitive terminology used is what really upsets me because Taylor is clearly not well and these posters use this message board to ridicule and make fun of the character as if there aren't people in the world who actually suffer from mental illness or distress.

    • lovely rita
      lovely rita commented
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      Yes, thank you Xyla. It was used again today by someone in a post from a thread I started. I can't imagine that should be allowed to be used. It is very offensive.

    • YaYaSisters
      YaYaSisters commented
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      Thank you for asking this Xyla, it is just sad that some do come on this board to bait others. This is just a show and none of these characters are reel. Although, there are many aspect of the show that I do not like, I do not come on this board to bait posters or just to make fun of characters who are suffering from a mental illness. It is the stigma of mental illness that explains why many in the 20th century languish in mental institutions without seeking proper treatment and/or therapy. In the 20th century, electric shock therapy was used as a form of therapy, which caused more harm than good.

  • #5
    Again, a derogatory/inflammatory nickname that's being used as a replacement name for a character is against the guidelines. CrayTay and KrayTay are nicknames that are being removed, but, as stated in the original post, we're not going to post a long list of specific names, because posters have a knack for thinking up new nicknames when they want to bait so specifics would probably be an endlessly growing list. And, in some cases, they may be occasionally allowed. So, if a nickname falls within what we've described in our broader policy, that nickname will be removed.
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    • #6
      I do not understand this. Critter was used by Liam and Hope to describe their baby. How can critter be derogatory? How is critter an offensive term? I could see if it was something like "glue baby" "sabotage baby" The baby has no actual name? I think this is just given into the sensitivity of some posters surrounding Hope. I saw no examples of derogatory names used about Steffy as an example only Hope and her baby. I feel like this is catering specifically to the Hope fanbase..

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      • Reesiecup
        Reesiecup commented
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        FYI, Critter is an informal word for an animal. Read the sentence examples given for the word.

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/critter

      • B&B blonde
        B&B blonde commented
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        lol the ones calling the baby critter are not doing it as a kind nickname.

      • CrescentRose88
        CrescentRose88 commented
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        animal is not always a derrogatory term.. there are affectionate animal names.. for example : Alliebear, Teddy bear, boo bear, boo boo bear, chunky monkey, bunny boo. It can be a negative or a positive name, just calling someone as an animal name does not denote negativity.

        You are inferring that people calling the baby critter are saying in a negative way. I for one only saw it used as a funny term because it was odd that Lope would call their own baby that. Just like Kimye named their baby North West and many people thought it was a terrible name, but it is still that baby's given name.

        I saw no post for when people called Kelly the "glue baby".

    • #7
      On what episode did Liam and Hope call their baby "Critter?" I never heard them say it. I would like to look it up. I assumed that posters who dislike Hope started calling her baby that.

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      • RedheadTeacher
        RedheadTeacher commented
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        Hope has actually used it twice, but it would take quite a bit for me to look through transcripts to find it. Perhaps someone else has an easier way?

    • #8
      Originally posted by LisaBowman View Post
      On what episode did Liam and Hope call their baby "Critter?" I never heard them say it. I would like to look it up. I assumed that posters who dislike Hope started calling her baby that.
      In the beginning of Hope's pregnancy, she did use the word "critter" regarding her baby as a term of endearment. From what I've seen on this board, some posters who dislike Hope were NOT using it the same way Hope did on screen. That is why the moderator reminded everyone that it can not be used in a derogatory manner.

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      • #9
        Originally posted by CrescentRose88 View Post
        I feel like this is catering specifically to the Hope fanbase..
        The moderators are not here to cater to any fanbase. We're here to make sure that the spirit of the guidelines is respected and followed. Critter might have been permissible if posters hadn't begun to use it regularly to bait, so its misuse has catapulted it onto the no-no list.

        And as for Hope and Hope's fanbase -- who the heck is Hope? I have never watched so much as one episode of B&B, in all of my life. I know absolutely nothing about the history of any character, couple or storyline, nor anything at all about the dynamics among the fanbases.


        All I'm trying to do here is clarify our policies...
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        • #10
          Originally posted by CrescentRose88 View Post
          I do not understand this. Critter was used by Liam and Hope to describe their baby. How can critter be derogatory? How is critter an offensive term? I could see if it was something like "glue baby" "sabotage baby" The baby has no actual name? I think this is just given into the sensitivity of some posters surrounding Hope. I saw no examples of derogatory names used about Steffy as an example only Hope and her baby. I feel like this is catering specifically to the Hope fanbase..
          I'm not really understanding how it's an offensive term either. I think calling the baby Esmerelda is worst since Hope already said that it's not what she's naming the baby.

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          • #11
            ^It’s offensive because the people using the term are using it to dehumanize the child. Not as a term of endearment, and it’s obvious. They say it as they are blasting the baby.

            Why not just say the baby?

            My personal opinion on the nickname issue is, they shouldn’t be used on a public/neutral board at all. It’s too easy to abuse if some are permitted/some not, because no matter how it was used on the show, a poster can twist it into a negative meaning.

            And really what else is the point to a nickname other than to express extreme dislike and/or upset fans? There’s better ways to express dislike of a character without resorting to name-calling.



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            • ILoveBizzie
              ILoveBizzie commented
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              Thanks. I think it’s fine for people to express dislike for whoever but getting to the point of extreme anger and venom , which the nicknames show, should be reserved for private boards.

            • CrescentRose88
              CrescentRose88 commented
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              The baby is not even a human yet. It's not even for certain that the baby will be born. Hope and Liam named their child this nickname and referred to their child by this nickname multiple times.

            • ILoveBizzie
              ILoveBizzie commented
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              But the people using it weren’t using it the same way. When they’re expressing hate for the baby and wishing her dead, then calling her a critter in the same sentence, it looks like it’s to be nasty. It’s not necessary to express your hate for a character with a nickname. Anyway it’s up to the moderators. As I said, I don’t see the point for any nicknames. It adds nothing to discussion. That’s my opinion.
              Last edited by ILoveBizzie; December 7th, 2018, 04:28 PM.

          • #12
            As Hope has used the term"Critter" more than once, she seems to have dehumanized her own child. I think that many posters, including myself, were taken aback when they heard her say it and figure if she found it acceptable, then it isn't wrong to use it as well.

            I take more offense when people use quite vulgar terms for sex, especially Steffy's ONS, but perhaps that reflects my age and my personal sensibilities.

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            • Sharkswin
              Sharkswin commented
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              "dehumanized her own child"? I don't believe that for one soapy second..that was Hope's intention at all. Hope has been shown on screen that she loves her unborn baby as much as Steffy loves Kelly.

              Perhaps, "critter" isn't what most are used to, but where I'm from..people DO use "critter" to show affection and love for their young child. So I get why Hope said it. But what bothers me is some posters use it in a derogatory way to bait.

            • B&B blonde
              B&B blonde commented
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              Hope and Liam had one conversation where she used the term critter as a loving little nickname at the time . But it is used on the board as a put down of the baby .

            • RedheadTeacher
              RedheadTeacher commented
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              Sharkswin, I was responding to the post that claimed that the term dehumanizes the child. Hope chose to use that word and actually used the term "Critter" twice. The first was on the July 5th episode:

              Hope: I know the situation is less than ideal. You have a family with Steffy. But we'll make sense of this one way or another. We'll make it work.
              Liam: No, yeah, you're ri-- I mean... right. We have to be... we have to be logical about this.
              Hope: It is what it is. Heh... you know, there's no use getting stressed out about it. It won't do anyone any good, especially me.
              [ Giggles ] 'Cause now I have to keep my endorphins up for this little critter.

              The second was on July 23rd:

              Hope: I just -- it's like I-I -- I can't even describe this amazing high that I'm on right now. It's like I never want to come down, even though I know I have to eventually. But, I mean, thorne's incredible designs hitting the runway, and then Emma and the dancers, and the -- the energy and the positivity and excitement. I mean, aside from the drama with the showstopper and everything, but --
              Liam: Yeah, but still --
              Hope: But best of all, I got to share this experience with -- with our little critter.

          • #13
            The use of "critter" when referring to a child is something that I grew up hearing, and it was always used in an affectionate manner. Apparently the nickname was also used on the show, although I don't watch B&B so I have no first-hand knowledge of that. Assuming that it was used, though, and that it might be properly used under most circumstances, the nickname has, unfortunately, now become a hot-button issue with the fanbases. The fact that its prohibition is now being argued against as being a bias by the moderators, in favor of the Hope fanbase, implies that the use of critter was being used to provoke. Otherwise, if it was being used affectionately, the Hope fanbase would be using it too. Therefore, from now on, "Hope's baby" ought to be satisfactory to everyone...
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            • CrescentRose88
              CrescentRose88 commented
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              I disagree but it's not my board. I feel like the Hope fanbase use their outrage over the term to bait the Steffy fanbase when they use it. They cry outrage whenever the nickname Liam and Hope created for their child is used to incite and bait any poster whom uses it. Just like they tried to bully others over wishing miscarriage on a fictional child. It was okay to call Kelly a "glue baby" and any other term, but this term, which is an affectionate term is not okay for Hope's baby. They cried outrage whether or not it was offensive just based on the used of the word. People whom used the board used their own feelings to infer other people's intentions. I have observed many postings where there use of the term was not offensive, but people cried foul just because that term was said.

              I think going forward now that this worked for the terminology of Hope's baby, posters will use this example to deem any name or term they do not like offensive and to bully other posters of fanbases they do not like into only using terms and names that they like.

              I don't think its fair, but I will not use the terminology.
              Last edited by CrescentRose88; December 7th, 2018, 03:47 PM.

            • Moore ideas
              Moore ideas commented
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              I understand your point, CrescentRose88, but the policies surrounding the use of nicknames can also apply to their use in a positive way as well. I'm referring now to the policy that says a nickname cannot become a "replacement name" for a character. So, for example, if someone has a favorite character and begins to use "LA's Favorite Dad" in every single post about the character -- even if "LA's Favorite Dad" was used once, in passing, on the show itself -- that would also be considered baiting. It's essentially meant to be a compliment, but it would begin to get old for those who might not like the character, or whatever black marks might exist in his past. (Because every soap character has them -- HAHA!!) So the passing compliment would become akin to ramming the name down everyone's throats, especially when used in a topic where it has no relevance. This may not be the best example, but I hope you understand my point.

          • #14
            A critter is a critter. If Hope used the term before, she (the writers) should live with the fall out. I never use the term. But, the actress certainly did refer to her unborn child as a critter. I’d write the writers and complain if you find it offensive. I’m sure they wouldn’t listen, though. But, I understand wanting to keep things friendly.

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            • #15
              Our policies have nothing to do with the writers or any "fallout" from their scripts. It has to do with our policies right here on this site, regarding respectful posting, and the rules that everyone agreed to abide by when they joined SOC. When a nickname begins to morph into deliberate baiting -- used on the show or not -- then it's not going to be allowed anymore.
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