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  • JaySherman
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    lcarus, someone has been posting old OLTL episodes on YT and I found what I think is Wade's exit storyline. He was offered a job in California working for a chain of restaurants and flew to LA before the Daisy Awards. He tried to convince her to join him saying there would be jobs for her in LA but she refused to go. Mari Lynn I think from that point forward was on her own.

  • MemMem
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    My biggest gripe was the inability of successive writing teams to pick up threads from the preceding teams, disregard Canon and ret-con history to go with their current whims.

    The prime example of this was Jessica having DID because she was molested when Nikki was in control of Viki's mind. (I believe this was done to incorporate the recast of Jessica from the sweet innocence of Erin Torpey to the sultry sexiness of Bree Williamson. Never could have happened because Jessica was in the very capable care of her Korean nanny, Kim,back then.

    OLTL missed a golden chance to keep ET and simply cast BW as her fraternal twin, Tess, and make Natalie the daughter of Allison Perkins and Viki's nephew, Daniel Wolek.

    Viki's DID was caused by her mother's violent but accidental death at Victor's hands, NOT his molestation of her. Agnes Nixon based Viki on The Three Faces of Eve, NOT Sybil. Victor was mentoring Viki to take over his empire after his death. No way, no how would he abuse her to the point of madness.

    Reich's take on Victor as a former OSS intelligence officer who restored his family fortunes with stolen Nazi art and was a womanizer, later choosing to seduce poor young beauties like Irene Manning rang truer to me than Chester the Molester.

    Another missed opportunity was not making Carla Benari Gray one of Asa's ex-wives when she was passing as White. Asa divorced Carla when she gave birth to a black baby girl. He assumed she had an extra -marital affair.

    OLTL would have kept a much larger fan base and still be on the air without these new writing teams abruptly purging casts and rewriting history to support their ridiculous plot points.

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  • momof3_angels
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    No, Melinda didn't have any interactions with Max that I recall when she returned in 1997. I know she had interactions with all the current Cramers of the time, Mel and his mother, Kevin, and Viki.

  • momof3_angels
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    JaySherman Cassie found River in the manger and Dorian schemed to help a desperate/grieving Cassie adopt River because Dorian wanted back in Cassie's life. Beth originally agreed to the adoption, but then rescinded. River was placed in the custody of Beth's aunt/uncle while Beth jumped through hoops in hopes of getting River back. It wasn't until Beth knew she was going to die that she asked Jason to get Cassie and she asked Cassie to adopt River. She drew up a handwritten will with Nora requesting that Cassie and Andrew be allowed to adopt River. Still, Cassie and Andrew had to get a home study and court approval to regain custody of River after Beth died. Her aunt/uncle supported the adoption.

  • aph1976
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    When Melinda was institutionalized in 1981 she was married to Peter Janssen and she was off screen for about 2 years.So maybe she was pregnant with Kelly but maybe she was worried that Peter would take Kelly from her and so she hid Kelly.However when Melinda returned in 1986 after been institutionalized again she didn't want to uproot Kelly's life by revealing she was her mother.and so she didn't tell anyone she had a daughter.Then between the time Melinda left in 1989 and Kelly showed up in 1995 it became public knowledge they were mother and daughter because maybe when Melinda left in 1989 she went to Kelly.

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  • Troy43
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    Todd said Peter Manning and Victor Lord were alike many times. He also was hesitant about the extent of the abuse he suffered… like he wanted to say something but couldn’t. I believe he also told Sam he sees himself doing things and he can’t stop it. I read somewhere that even though a person has DID they are still responsible for what an alter does since they are a part of the main person, and in Todd’s case, he most likely was aware of others since he mentioned voices in his head a couple of times. Alters are part of the main person so I don’t think it would be as much of a pass as an explanation as to why he did what he did. I agree that with or without the DID angle, they definitely should have done the sexual abuse story. They should have just dropped it and not made it fake.

  • O_Snap!
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    Agreed. With more time it would have been a good s/l. Jack just moved on and although he felt some guilt when he thought it was Gigi, its like once they found out it was Stacy no one was pressed.

    Jack's parents should have been more disturbed by his behavior. In the moment they were bothered but Victor was too busy trying to keep his life from unraveling and Blair was busy sniffing around Tomas. At least when Todd finally got home he had the presence of mind to really look at Jack and see that he was becoming a POS just like him and was kinda bothered by it.

  • O_Snap!
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    I'm mid-way thru a re-watch of Todd's story from the beginning and the thing that keeps jumping out at me is that very early on various characters who Todd had victimized, menaced, threatened, or bullied, all remark repeatedly that "he changed", "his eyes changed", "his voice changed", etc., etc. Part of me wonders if they were going to go this route but they decided to have him knowingly fake DID instead.

    For me, I think giving this character DID might have given him too much of a pass so I'm actually glad they didn't go there and they just had the character own the fact he was a POS who every once in a while could be capable of doing a half-way decent thing.

    I agree that they should have delved into the sexual abuse by Peter they alluded to since around 30% of male child sexual abuse victims become offenders so his behavior as a young man would have tracked. Interesting stuff.

  • JaySherman
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    O_Snap! so I did some checking and here's what I found

    Jason did help Lee Ann with Duke but Lee Ann and Duke left town without him.

    He was briefly involved with Marty and his last storyline involved Beth Garvey, the biological mother of River. Cassie and Andrew adopted River from her and Dorian helped arrange the adoption.

    Beth was written off as dying from a variant of the flu that hit Llanview. It was traced back to an admin at Llanview Hospital who was reusing needles as I recall. I don't remember if Beth died before or after the adoption.

    Jason had pretty much no story after that and kind of just disappeared. He may have had an exit scene but it was obviously not a memorable one.

  • JaySherman
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    You raise a valid point regarding Rachel. If I recall correctly, the official story was that she spent 6 months in jail and just chose not to come back to Llanview. But since that was never clearly explained and may not even be correct storywise, it does seem like Rachel got a harsher punishment.

    In an interview, Jill Farren Phelps (who loves to kill off characters for sport) claimed that the relationship between Viki and Dorian needed a jolt and Dorian blaming her for Mel's death was the only way to do it. That shows a complete lack of imagination and negates Dorian's big story in which Viki learns Dorian suffered horrific physical and mental abuse as a child.

    Viki and Dorian both dealing with serious abuse as children created an understanding between them and Mel's death threw that storyline out the window.

  • JaySherman
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    When Melinda returned briefly in 1996 or 1997, did she have any interactions with Max? Did Max even know she was around?

    Some backstory - when The Edge of Night was cancelled, OLTL took on some of the actors. Lois Kibbee was the matriarch of the new Sanders family and Sharon Gabet was brought in as Melinda in an attempt to fill the void left by Robin Strasser's departure.

    Lord Henry Leighton had drugged Asa, stealing WVLE by tricking him into selling it. After the Faux Bo storyline, Asa tried to blackmail Joanna Leighton into selling the station back to him at a reduced price but Max joined with Melinda to form a business partnership which bought the station.

    After Steve died, Max left briefly and Melinda ran the station by herself. TPTB decided Melinda wasn't working as a character so they just stopped writing for her and Gabet found out she was let go after the fact.

    For a time, Max and Melinda were friends and ran a business together. Yet, when Melinda returned briefly years later, her time in Llanview appears to have been retconned out of existence. It's also one of the only ways the storyline with Kelly even worked as if she was around in the late 80s, why never a mention of a daughter.

    That also ties into Kelly and Blair both never finding out or acknowledging who their fathers were other than in ambiguous terms.

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  • Evianfan
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    Jacara. How I loved that character. She was RJ's best match until Lindsey, and I hated how that storyline just ended. She and RJ were fantastic. Gotta agree with Rachel and Mel. Mel and Dorian were so great together, and Rachel was a character that never truly got her just due. She spent more time in prison that Todd did for raping Marty.

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  • Canuckster84
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    The one I think they didn't delve into was Todd learning that Jack bullied Shane, and then caused Stacy to die (he locked her in a basement). It would be interesting to see things come "full circle" with Todd, and help him to explain to Jack how life altering his actions were for him (Jack), the immense guilt that comes along with it, not to mention all the trauma it has on the victims. I think the writers if they had more time before OLTL cancelled, they could have fleshed this s/l out very deep.

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  • Troy43
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    The biggest missed opportunity was not giving Todd a DID story and diving further into the abuse he suffered at the hands of his adoptive father, Peter. It could have been on the level of Viki’s DID story and revolutionary because I don’t think there’s been a male sexual abuse story written the way they were going. It would have explained so much about Todd without excusing the things he did.

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  • JNLrafamily
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    Originally posted by OLTL'69 View Post
    CJ was mentioned I loved the friendship between Cord and Max it would have been great to see the next generation with Al and CJ
    It really would've been nice to see the next generation......Al, CJ, Liam, Ryder, Bree, Drew etc. Unfortunately, that will never happen now....I miss OLTL

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