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  • NS Plover
    Board Regular
    • Feb 2016
    • 502

    Why are they sending Esme to prison?

    Liz statement proved she wasn't the hook killer (which I don't think she has been charged with) and she hasn't been tried for the filming of the sex tape. I'm not even sure she has been charged with it - except in viewer opinion - did anyone find proof that would stand up in court?

    Has she even been charged with either of these crimes??

    So why exactly is she being sent to prison?? Where is her lawyer and how credible will he ever be again?

    Do the writers actually ever review their own plotlines?
    Last edited by NS Plover; March 8, 2023, 05:58 PM.
  • chickiepoo
    Contract Poster
    • Mar 2004
    • 2805

    #2
    Good point. She’s not the hook and hasn’t been tried for the sex tape yet. She’s not a dangerous criminal. Maybe house arrest would be better if they think she is a flight risk. Heather isn’t in spring ridge is she?

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    • maggiebh
      maggiebh commented
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      No, she is in the high security place that starts with a D than I can't spell LOL!
  • rkm137
    Aspiring soap scribe
    • Dec 2009
    • 16952

    #3
    She has been charged with the revenge porn and I believe the attempted murder of Oz and, i don't know if they included it, but she is also guilty of obstruction of justice - falsifying evidence and perjury. She is also a proven flight risk (she disappeared for months before Nik locked her up). So pretrial incarceration is not surprising.

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    • rkm137
      rkm137 commented
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      dolly4359 Pretrial detention in PC is very confusing. People seem to stayin a holding cell until arraignment and then get transferred immediately to long term detention facilities unless and until they decide to show us the criminal trial.

    • Carablue
      Carablue commented
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      Being wanted, and being charged are two different things. It's all a bit vague. If her Lawyer was doing his job, she'd be out on bail awaiting trial like Trina was.

    • jmpenn90
      jmpenn90 commented
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      Who would pay her bail? And she might be a flight risk so might have been denied bail.
  • PigPen
    Board Regular
    • Sep 2022
    • 1194

    #4
    I think she's termed in prison awaiting trial.

    I thought she was at Spring Ridge being evaluated.

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    • MeTyme
      Senior Board Member
      • Jan 2020
      • 1537

      #5
      Exactly! What is her crime? Is it poisoning Oz?

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      • jmpenn90
        jmpenn90 commented
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        The revenge porn and poisoning Oz most likely. Who would pay her bail?
    • NS Plover
      Board Regular
      • Feb 2016
      • 502

      #6
      Originally posted by PigPen View Post
      I think she's termed in prison awaiting trial.

      I thought she was at Spring Ridge being evaluated.
      That was when they thought she was the hook killer - then Liz did her confession...

      So what do they actually have Esme on that might not be called hearsay - if she were actually charged with it - if she actually had a working lawyer...

      A "non villan" character would have been released immediately - just sayin'

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      • DVX
        DVX commented
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        The sworn testimony Oz gave at Trina's trial could be admissible under a hearsay exception. But the defense would likely be able to get it thrown out since Esme was not represented at that trial and her lawyer had no opportunity to cross-examine. I'm not sure the prosecution would have any kind of real case against Esme without that testimony, for the revenge porn or the obstruction. Considering that revenge porn is a misdemeanor in NYS, it's hard to imagine a prosecutor even trying it without more actual evidence.

        For her attempted murder of Oz, they can't use anything Oz told them (did he even tell them? I can't remember). If he had actually died from that, it would have been possible to claim an exception to hearsay rule, but he died via the hook. I can't remember if they found any real evidence that Esme was responsible for drugging Oz or any evidence that her intent was to kill him. If all they had was something Oz told them, then that case is pretty dead too.

        We all know what she did and that's why we are mostly ok with her being under lock and key. Also its a soap. But in real life it would be extremely hard to justify holding her without bail for anything but the attempted murder, and there appears to be no case there. The state doesn't really have a right to hold you indefinitely while they go try to find evidence.

      • JJ1
        JJ1 commented
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        But even then, it's only attempted murder...because she failed. And she could get probation for the sex tape. She might have to register as a sex offender...and then she couldn't go to any of Ace's school activities.

      • rkm137
        rkm137 commented
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        "Only attempted murder"? Attempted murder is a felony, a very serious one.
    • varnish7
      Board Regular
      • Mar 2004
      • 1254

      #7
      Esme was being held in Spring Ridge until her trial. I assume she wasn't offered bail because she had no financial resources and no known ties to the community. Kevin and Laura could arrange bail for Esme and bring her and Ace to their place, but I don't know how easy that would be or even if they would want to, considering the tension between Spencer and Esme.

      Now that Ryan and Heather are gone, it might be best for Esme and Ace to stay at Spring Ridge. Esme has experienced a number of stressful/traumatic events recently. Plus, she has little to no knowledge of childcare. If Esme and Ace were in a nursery type program at Spring Ridge, then the two of them would get the structure they need right now. Esme would have some breathing room to bond with Ace and get used to caring for him before she has to deal with the real world.

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      • 1sbkmcfan
        Aspiring soap scribe
        • Aug 2006
        • 20968

        #8
        Is revenge porn a sex crime where the perp has to register as a sex offender? Seems like that is the case.

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        • OLTL'69
          Aspiring soap scribe
          • Apr 2011
          • 15904

          #9
          Spring RIdge is something isn't ? It has been a rehab center for murderers with a sore neck. A place to await trial rather than the local Jail. it was home for a serial killer for years

          Will we find out if she has a trust fund and who is holding it for her?

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          • Emerald Greens
            Aspiring soap scribe
            • Feb 2006
            • 41368

            #10
            Isn't it based on what Oz and Spence testified to? I thought there were charges.

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            • SPFF
              Board Regular
              • May 2022
              • 505

              #11
              She is a flight risk as evidenced by her behavior she is being held in prison until her case goes to court. I hope you're not planning on asking what case

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              • Carablue
                Carablue commented
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                She fell off the parapet at Windermere, then was held captive there, she escaped and jumped off the parapet and sought help. She was thrown in prison and then kidnapped from there by two deranged serial killers. She's made no attempt to escape from GH. She doesn't appear to have any visible means of support. So what behaviour constitutes a flight risk?

              • Bobaloo
                Bobaloo commented
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                Does anyone know about her first fall during her fight with Ava? I can't remember. I know there was a recording of Nik confessing that Spencer got his hands on, but that was long after her amnesia.

                I believe it was her disappearance that first time that caused her to be viewed as a flight risk - if no one knew she went over the parapet, it would just look like she ran away. And when she returned, she was held captive by Nik, with no one but he and Liz really knowing she was in town. She was gone for a while before she started popping up in that enormous hoodie as a red herring for the hook, and eventually confronted Nik and got locked up in the tower by him, so it's feasible that the authorities believed she was on the run the whole time.

                Maybe I'm wrong though - I don't remember all the details.
            • CincyLady
              Aspiring soap scribe
              • Sep 2005
              • 14320

              #12
              Originally posted by rkm137 View Post
              She has been charged with the revenge porn and I believe the attempted murder of Oz and, i don't know if they included it, but she is also guilty of obstruction of justice - falsifying evidence and perjury. She is also a proven flight risk (she disappeared for months before Nik locked her up). So pretrial incarceration is not surprising.
              All of which should make her eligible for bail - so why aren't Laura and Kevin bailing her out and having her come live with them with the baby?

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              • CarnyQueen
                CarnyQueen commented
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                It depends -- New York state has no cash bail for most nonviolent felonies -- meaning they can't hold you until trial.

              • CincyLady
                CincyLady commented
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                Unless she spreads wings, I don't know why Esme would be a flight risk. As a rule bail is only denied for murder - and a flight risk.

              • rkm137
                rkm137 commented
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                She is likely charged it attempted murder. The fact that the case may be dropped on account of not being able to use Oz's testimony in (the cross examination part is going to pose an issue, but that hasn't necessarily been addressed yet). They may be waiting to confirm that Esme was in no involved with the Hook killings since the defendant being responsible for the unavailability of a witness can be a reason prior testimony can come it. It would also be an additional charge, but that isn't for now.
            • jodyb22
              Soap Addict
              • Sep 2009
              • 5832

              #13
              Revenge Porn, Perjury, Oz's Attempted Murder which were all mentioned in other posts above.

              But also Arson for setting fire to Ava's car plus intentional infliction of emotional distress with the added threats to Avery's security causing Ava to almost leave her daughter with Sonny full time and flee the country. I would think with the arson being in the hospital garage, there should be charges for endangerment as well because the fire could have easily spread to other vehicles and people. Plus a DA would likely throw in conspiracy charges for conspiring with Ryan.

              But I guess in PC all of that is just no-big deal. A little criminal mischeif that everyone just shrugs off. In real life, someone doing those things wouldn't just walk away scott free. They could do time just for the conspiracy alone.
              Last edited by jodyb22; March 9, 2023, 10:02 AM.

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              • CarnyQueen
                CarnyQueen commented
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                It never made any sense that Ava didn't fie e a complaint against Esme for torching her car. But I don't see how they can try Esme for that now. Spencer in his plea deal that got him a cushy sentence at Spring Ridge (he later went to Pentonville on the separate crime of escape) took the rap for all the stalking. Esme can't be convicted of something he said in court that he did. And she could always repeat her claim that she did it for Spencer -- Ryan's comments to Ava that he groomed Esme all along wouldn't hold up in court. And if a jury actually heard that Ryan was manipulating Esme in the stalking they might feel sorry for her.
            • MeTyme
              Senior Board Member
              • Jan 2020
              • 1537

              #14
              She's not going to prison. She's going to Spring Ridge, the psych hospital although nobody seems to know why except the writers who aren't saying why.

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              • CarnyQueen
                CarnyQueen commented
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                Spring Ridge is not a psych hospital -- it's a minimum-security correctional facility. Esme has been charged with some crimes stemming from the revenge porn and framing of Trina and possibly the attempted murder of Oz. She hasn't been convicted and there is no guarantee she will be. GH never has realistic prison facilities -- remember coed Pentonville, where male and female inmates could mix freely?
            • earlygher
              Recurring Poster
              • Apr 2016
              • 463

              #15
              Yes, she appears to be guilty of quite a few crimes. But, has she been arrested, charged, arraigned and had a bond/ bail hearing? Not sure they can hold her anywhere until all those have happened.

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              • CarnyQueen
                CarnyQueen commented
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                She has been arrested and had an initial hearing where the judge ordered her remanded to Spring Ridge. But in real life she would have to be indicted and then arraigned, and her lawyer could always petition for another bail hearing, or try to get some of the charges dropped, or try to cut a deal for her.

              • rkm137
                rkm137 commented
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                CarnyQueen Maybe once Martin gets out of Lucy's bed for a full 10 minutes, he could seek to have the charges dropped for lack of evidence.

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