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What does Scott think he'll accomplish bringing up Michael and Claudia?

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  • rkm137
    Aspiring soap scribe
    • Dec 2009
    • 16697

    What does Scott think he'll accomplish bringing up Michael and Claudia?

    Michael's fitness as a father isn't at issue and even if it was, having committed a homicide is not a basis for not having the right to raise your child or make decisions about them. It was longer ago than Nina's crimes, he was barely 18, and it was acknowledged to have been in defense of his mother and baby sister even though the judge still went with manslaughter to punish everyone around Michael (which was, legally speaking, BS).

    But since Scott stupidly decided to go there, this is how I would love for it to go.

    Scott: Tell me about you an Claudia Zucchara.

    Michael: Claudia Zucchara was a emotionally unbalanced daughter of a rival (mob boss) to my father's business whom my father, in his infinite good judgment about women and their sanity/fitness around children, decided to bed then marry when he knocked her up... oh, and as it turns out she was responsible for me getting shot in the head and ending up in a coma for a year while I was still a child. I assume you mean that Claudia Zucchara.

    Scott: Well yes, but I was talking about how she died. How you murdered her.

    Michael: Murder? Interesting. What I recall is that my so call father, again showing excellent understanding of how unbalanced women work, decided to expose Claudia as the person responsible for my being shot in the middle of what was supposed to be a celebration. Claudia reacted by taking my pregnant mother, who was there merely to be hostage. My Mother gave birth in a remote cabin while being held hostage by Claudia and when I arrived, my mother was on the floor bleeding and Claudia, who herself had recently miscarried, was about to kidnap my sister. I hit her to stop her. And she died.

    Scott: Well you make it all sound so innocent... why did you go to jail?

    Michael: Well, based on what the judge at the time said on the record, he acknowledge that what I did might have been necessary but that my parents, my father in particular, had tried to hide what happened and showed such contempt for the legal process that he was throwing the book at me.... Once again, thanks dad.
  • hurricaneeyes
    Day Player
    • Nov 2017
    • 137

    #2
    He's trying to prove that Michael has violent impulses and is no better than his mistakes just like Nina... which I find laughable because he was protecting his mother from a psychopath trying to steal his newborn sister. Michael also faced the consequences for allowing a cover up to happen and served his time in prison. Nina on the other hand has never faced any consequences and her actions were extremely self-serving unlike Michael's during that time.

    If Scotty wanted to be smart about this he would instead bring up Sonny being convicted of murdering AJ, Michael fighting to take custody of Avery, and yet he forgave and reconciled with Sonny while he's unable to forgive and allow Nina in Wiley's life. He could also bring up Willow reconciling with Harmony who not only murdered 2 people, but also had coerced Willow into a sexual relationship with a cult leader when she was freshly 18 and Harmony was starting to have a relationship with Wiley.

    While I don't want Nina to win, I think this attack on Michael about Claudia is pretty ridiculous when Scotty could easily play the hypocrite card in regards to Sonny/Harmony being in Wiley's life.

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    • BlindLiberty
      BlindLiberty commented
      Editing a comment
      hurricaneeyes It seems from what I've seen Scotty is using:
      I'm a good grandma and if Sonny and Carly get visitation so should I.
      As treason she should get visitation. I don't think that's a great way to go about it.

      LC (Monica) once joked that Scotty put several crayons in his briefcase so he carry it around and look important. ?

      Maybe all he had in his briefcase was crayons today.
      Last edited by BlindLiberty; May 25, 2022, 11:01 PM.
  • BlindLiberty
    Day Player
    • Feb 2022
    • 214

    #3
    I truly hope these writers do not mock what happened to Michael. I mean the show does not have a great track record in dealing with sexual assault, stalking or predatory behaviors.

    Besides, I don't understand how this makes him look bad. Michael got out of prison, took therapy and has not (that I know of) broken any laws or murdered someone. He put his life back together. So how does this affect Wiley or Nina's petition.

    He put his life back together and didn't drag everyone down with him. Nina needs to take notes.

    Maybe Scotty is bringing up Claudia to throw off Michael. If Michael can keep his cool he could turn this right back around on Sonny - and I hope Mike blows his whole world apart.
    Last edited by BlindLiberty; May 25, 2022, 06:22 PM.

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    • ScrubsFan#1
      Scriptwriter
      • Sep 2012
      • 4698

      #4
      Felicia murdered Peter in the exact same way - and didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

      She was labeled a HERO.

      This is just more OTT plot point GARBAGE storytelling.

      Just the way things roll at GH now.

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      • BlindLiberty
        BlindLiberty commented
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        You make such a good point, the judge that convicted Michael straight up said it was to punish the people around Michael, which is insane btw.
    • Clementine15
      Scriptwriter
      • May 2015
      • 4709

      #5
      OP, this dialogue is perfect! l hope every word of it comes out in court. Neither attorney is looking very sharp in this trial. Very disappointing so far
      l don't know how what Sonny said was supposed to help Nina. She should have done the right thing and alerted his family the moment she saw him, That he was suffering from amnesia made it even more urgent he get help
      l wonder if Phyllis will testify and how she will justify her actions, or lack of.
      Last edited by Clementine15; May 25, 2022, 06:37 PM.

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      • Friz4ever
        Senior Board Member
        • Apr 2018
        • 2271

        #6
        Michaels crime was that immediately after killing Claudia he didn't tell police what he did. It was easily self defence. He chose to follow jasons , carly and Jason's advice and kept silent.

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        • OLTLBoomer
          OLTLBoomer commented
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          I thought MIchael was 18 and therefore an adult.

        • Manninglover87
          Manninglover87 commented
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          No, Michael was still seventeen when he killed Claudia. I remember because they celebrated his birthday months later. He was an adult when it all came out though and he was given an adult sentence.

        • perky7kc
          perky7kc commented
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          Jax told Michael to tell the truth but, of course, he didn’t listen to him. I loved how the judge ripped into Sonny and Carly about what terrible parents they were. Best show ever.
      • Friz4ever
        Senior Board Member
        • Apr 2018
        • 2271

        #7
        Originally posted by ScrubsFan#1 View Post
        Felicia murdered Peter in the exact same way - and didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

        She was labeled a HERO.

        This is just more OTT plot point GARBAGE storytelling.

        Just the way things roll at GH now.
        But she told the truth about it to police. Michael lied.

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        • GH29
          GH29 commented
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          Actually, Michael wanted to tell the truth from the beginning, but his parents wouldn't allow him to. Once they were in court and Sonny was trying to take the blame, Michael ended up coming clean to the judge, so Michael valued being honest because he felt guilty for harming a person, even though the person he harmed really hurt his mother and was trying to kidnap his newborn sister.

        • rkm137
          rkm137 commented
          Editing a comment
          MIchael actually confessed once before his father's trial. But Mac didn't believe him and thought Michael was just trying to protect his dad. I wish someone had told the judge that before he threw the book at Michael to punish his parents.

        • heddalee
          heddalee commented
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          The judge did know Michael confessed already. He asked Michael if he'd produced any evidence, like the bloody shirt, to Mac; and did he try again after Mac rebuffed him; Michael said no to both.
      • OLTLBoomer
        Aspiring soap scribe
        • Mar 2010
        • 15875

        #8
        It appears this is descending into a tit for tat testimony - Ava/ Avery is brought up (which is timely, as it shows Nina's response to her inablity to have a child post coma), versus MIchael's self defense of his mother / half sister.

        I just do not understand the writers at times....

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        • peak_a_bu
          Senior Board Member
          • May 2009
          • 2445

          #9
          Anyone else hope that Claudia walks into the courtroom and says surprise I'm alive, and Nelle is my daughter and Johnny's twin.

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          • heddalee
            heddalee commented
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            So Michael had sexual relations with one twin, and Carly the other. That's a bit much.

          • c83gilles
            c83gilles commented
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            That’s some Passions soap storylines right there! Lol

          • SAMLEXIS FAN
            SAMLEXIS FAN commented
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            I'm all for Claudia coming back from the dead but, no, she's not Nelle's mother...Nina is.
        • MrsValentine
          Aspiring soap scribe
          • Sep 2009
          • 10291

          #10
          Originally posted by rkm137 View Post
          Michael's fitness as a father isn't at issue and even if it was, having committed a homicide is not a basis for not having the right to raise your child or make decisions about them. It was longer ago than Nina's crimes, he was barely 18, and it was acknowledged to have been in defense of his mother and baby sister even though the judge still went with manslaughter to punish everyone around Michael (which was, legally speaking, BS).

          But since Scott stupidly decided to go there, this is how I would love for it to go.

          Scott: Tell me about you an Claudia Zucchara.

          Michael: Claudia Zucchara was a emotionally unbalanced daughter of a rival (mob boss) to my father's business whom my father, in his infinite good judgment about women and their sanity/fitness around children, decided to bed then marry when he knocked her up... oh, and as it turns out she was responsible for me getting shot in the head and ending up in a coma for a year while I was still a child. I assume you mean that Claudia Zucchara.

          Scott: Well yes, but I was talking about how she died. How you murdered her.

          Michael: Murder? Interesting. What I recall is that my so call father, again showing excellent understanding of how unbalanced women work, decided to expose Claudia as the person responsible for my being shot in the middle of what was supposed to be a celebration. Claudia reacted by taking my pregnant mother, who was there merely to be hostage. My Mother gave birth in a remote cabin while being held hostage by Claudia and when I arrived, my mother was on the floor bleeding and Claudia, who herself had recently miscarried, was about to kidnap my sister. I hit her to stop her. And she died.

          Scott: Well you make it all sound so innocent... why did you go to jail?

          Michael: Well, based on what the judge at the time said on the record, he acknowledge that what I did might have been necessary but that my parents, my father in particular, had tried to hide what happened and showed such contempt for the legal process that he was throwing the book at me.... Once again, thanks dad.
          Op— I wish we would get such a delicious scene. You’re a very good writer. I enjoyed this very much- ?

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          • rkm137
            rkm137 commented
            Editing a comment
            Thanks. Could do without the typos I see, But it pretty well sums up my thoughts about this idiocy.
        • Jenn216
          Board Regular
          • Jul 2015
          • 1322

          #11
          I don't know what Scott or Nina is doing in this battle. Last person I would want to testify is Sonny if I were them. I would have went with Phyllis and talked about the Drama of losing her daughter and being in a coma. Maxie, or Shawn maybe Britt

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          • GH29
            Newcomer
            • May 2022
            • 78

            #12
            Michael’s past indiscretions and his fitness was put to rest when he was awarded custody of Wiley , Michael’s character and fitness isn’t in question here, rather what are Michael’s basis for not wanting nina in his sons life and wether is he being unfair or just throwing a fit , on the other hand Nina is the one that’s suing Michael so it’s on her as to why not Nina but Wiley would benefit to have her in his life.Bringing up Claudia just proves the judges point the one that sent micheal to jail, that he was being raised by toxic and horrible parent’s and yes that includes Carly to to an extent for exposing him to Sonny , it’s just undoes sonnys testimony on ninas behalf and proves that he is a lousy father with a bad judgment when it come to women and everything really and that his familly especially Michael has paid the price more then once it’s just shows that Michael in spite of his narcissistic father who always chooses himself his needs and wants is a decent guy and father so far.

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            • Jenn216
              Jenn216 commented
              Editing a comment
              Also parents laws vs grandparents are very different. You have to prove the parent is unfit to lose custody which is difficult. Grandparents kind of have to prove that the child would be negatively impacted to be removed out of the kids life
          • believeinme246
            Aspiring soap scribe
            • Jan 2015
            • 14729

            #13
            My dream finale to the trial is that Josslyn's kidney fails and with Nelle dead, they are desperate for a donor. Nina offers a kidney in front of the court room but she isn't a match. Carly's only hope is to then spill the beans about Willow so that Willow can be tested to donate to Josslyn. Of course she does, but she is livid with Carly for withholding the info about Nina and taking DNA without consent, or even letting her in on the possibility although asked. Michael cedes the case since Nina was willing to save Joss.

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            • SAMLEXIS FAN
              SAMLEXIS FAN commented
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              c83gilles I want Nina to ask Josslyn for Nelle's kidney back. LOL! That annoying brat doesn't deserve Nelle's kidney. Her mother can find another one for her on the black market.

            • believeinme246
              believeinme246 commented
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              eileenregina because she’s Nelle’s sister and Nelle was a match and the original donor.

            • sneekee1
              sneekee1 commented
              Editing a comment
              Joss has a half sister in Donna. She would be a closer match than Willow. And why would Michael give any concessions to Nina when it has to do with Willow. Willow is a group woman and doesn't need Nina's permission. Also, Willow wouldn't punish Joss for something Carly has done.
          • DayRose
            I Let My Evil Twin Post For Me
            • Oct 2020
            • 9541

            #14
            Originally posted by rkm137 View Post
            Michael's fitness as a father isn't at issue and even if it was, having committed a homicide is not a basis for not having the right to raise your child or make decisions about them. It was longer ago than Nina's crimes, he was barely 18, and it was acknowledged to have been in defense of his mother and baby sister even though the judge still went with manslaughter to punish everyone around Michael (which was, legally speaking, BS).

            But since Scott stupidly decided to go there, this is how I would love for it to go.

            Scott: Tell me about you an Claudia Zucchara.

            Michael: Claudia Zucchara was a emotionally unbalanced daughter of a rival (mob boss) to my father's business whom my father, in his infinite good judgment about women and their sanity/fitness around children, decided to bed then marry when he knocked her up... oh, and as it turns out she was responsible for me getting shot in the head and ending up in a coma for a year while I was still a child. I assume you mean that Claudia Zucchara.

            Scott: Well yes, but I was talking about how she died. How you murdered her.

            Michael: Murder? Interesting. What I recall is that my so call father, again showing excellent understanding of how unbalanced women work, decided to expose Claudia as the person responsible for my being shot in the middle of what was supposed to be a celebration. Claudia reacted by taking my pregnant mother, who was there merely to be hostage. My Mother gave birth in a remote cabin while being held hostage by Claudia and when I arrived, my mother was on the floor bleeding and Claudia, who herself had recently miscarried, was about to kidnap my sister. I hit her to stop her. And she died.

            Scott: Well you make it all sound so innocent... why did you go to jail?

            Michael: Well, based on what the judge at the time said on the record, he acknowledge that what I did might have been necessary but that my parents, my father in particular, had tried to hide what happened and showed such contempt for the legal process that he was throwing the book at me.... Once again, thanks dad.
            I love this! I wish we could see this! It's so much better than what we've seen so far!

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            • CarnyQueen
              CarnyQueen commented
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              This really would be wonderful to see. And it's all true, every bit of it! When you look at it this way, it really shows the parallels between Claudia and Nina: Two women who suffered mental breakdowns after losing their own child, who then steal a perceived rival's baby under horrific circumstances. Sonny brought Claudia into his family's life, and now he wants to bring Nina there.
          • tabbers
            Day Player
            • Apr 2021
            • 148

            #15
            Since Michael was a minor, wouldn't his record have been expunged when he turned 18?

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            • Manninglover87
              Manninglover87 commented
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              He was sentenced as an adult, after he turned eighteen. I think that makes it a part of his permanent record

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