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Possibly unpopular opinion but why fight Elizabeth about the clairvoyant?

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  • Wanda Wolek
    Contract Poster
    • May 2013
    • 2984

    Possibly unpopular opinion but why fight Elizabeth about the clairvoyant?

    Yes, Elizabeth is emotionally distraught, but I thought today while watching that Finn, Laura and Kevin are just making it worse. They are all treating her like a fragile flower in the middle of an emotional breakdown. Sure, she probably is, but rather than helping, their attitudes are just making her angry. When Elizabeth asked Finn to see Chelsea together, why didn't he? What harm would it have done - other than to his insistent need to be right. For soap opera purposes I can see the reason, but I just felt all three treated Elizabeth like a child. No wonder she got angry with them all.
  • Pamcho
    Contract Poster
    • Feb 2012
    • 3177

    #2
    I was disappointed in Finn today. I have been rooting for Finn & Liz. But I was even more disappointed in Kevin. He hardly said anything to Liz, who may be having a breakdown.

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    • Wanda Wolek
      Wanda Wolek commented
      Editing a comment
      I was very disappointed in Kevin also. As for Finn, this is the second time he has been paternalistic with Elizabeth. If I thought it was something the writers would address during this story, I wouldn't be so bothered by it, but I get the impression that the writers are on Finn's side. Personally, I think he is very wrong in his attitude that he knows best. If Elizabeth is having a breakdown, and it appears that is where the story is headed, Kevin, Laura and Finn are not helping by antagonizing her or belittling her desire to see the clairvoyant.
  • mistyrose52
    Board Regular
    • Oct 2013
    • 963

    #3
    This entire story is belittling Liz. I'm glad she finally gets more airtime, but this? Crazy, ridiculous, nutty s/l is too much.
    Yes, we get it. Franco was the love of her life after so much tragic garbage from former men, but to be SO devastated that you're willing to believe he wants you all to himself and will not RIP until you're an old, wrinkled, gray 90 year old..nah. I hate this.

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    • believeinme246
      Aspiring soap scribe
      • Jan 2015
      • 14767

      #4
      When you a grieving a loved one, the little things that make you happy aren't something to be ashamed of or something that you have to overcome. If Elizabeth was mortgaging her house to buy time with Chelsea, then I'd say she was stealing from her future security to buy what she believes are answers. But if she spends within her means with the money she earns, and within her budget, to get some peace, even if it's just peace of mind to get her through the rough patches, then who is anyone to argue with that. It bothers me that people think they have to 'deprogram' her. Grief is very personal.

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      • Wanda Wolek
        Wanda Wolek commented
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        Thank you. I can only say I totally agree. Kevin, Laura, and Finn are all acting like she has completely lost it because she wants to consult a medium, someone recommended to her by Lucy. Okay, maybe not the greatest recommendation but far better than getting one from Mediums R Us.
    • c83gilles
      Senior Board Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 1833

      #5
      I understand that Finn doesn’t have a belief in this - but Liz does or possibly does. Finn - who I adore and always will - was so obnoxious. He doesn’t get to make that call for Liz and I was more disappointed in Laura. Laura is a mother figure for Liz - and she didn’t stand up for her at all here.

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      • Harbor Club
        Board Regular
        • Jun 2020
        • 1303

        #6
        That is what I was thinking. Kevin and Finn are often arrogant and boy that was front and center today. Go with her to make sure Chelsea doesn't try to take advantage if nothing else. It wasn't like she was asking him to help hide a non dead body or something...

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        • soapfiction
          Aspiring soap scribe
          • Mar 2012
          • 14548

          #7
          I was rather put off by Finn, Laura and even Kevin. I get they're concerned a/b her, but my issue is that not one of them thinks it's Liz however they're treating her like she's emotionally unstable. I was on the fence a/b the Liz and Finn pairing, now I'm over it. Liz doesn't need someone who's trying to run her life. And did I miss a ton of eppys, when was he and Liz "building" a life together. They went on one or two dates. I'm really surprised at Kevin not factoring in all the stressors that Liz has had to deal with the past year, Franco's death, Peter debacle, Cam's anger issues and almost going to jail, her parent's abandonment, Hayden missing.....she's had a lot. And during all that, ppl seem to want her to move on and start a new life with someone else, not considering she might not be ready. I for one don't want the person to be Liz, I rather it be Heather, however with that said, I wouldn't mind that Franco is trying to reach her to tell her to move on and happy. I kind of don't want Chelsea to be a fraud, because in the past she was spot on about her clairvoyance. On a sidenote; I do like Liz's defiant attitude and direct commentary.

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          • Wanda Wolek
            Wanda Wolek commented
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            Kevin definitely did not act like a psychiatrist today. He, of all people, should have zeroed in on the fact that Elizabeth is still grieving Franco and her need to know it is him "haunting" her is her inability to let him go. But I will blame the plot-driven writing. The writers can't have anyone stating the obvious. And Finn, well, the writers will really need to rehabilitate this character as far as Elizabeth goes for me to like them together. However, I fear that what we will see is Elizabeth falling apart and hero Finn stepping up to put her back together again. Incredibly paternalistic.
        • Friz4ever
          Senior Board Member
          • Apr 2018
          • 2276

          #8
          My theory is that the clairvoyant actually channeled franco. Franco realizes that the bad biz has control of liz. Franco can't rest until he knows Liz and boys are safe.

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          • MrAxe
            MrAxe commented
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            If Franco is indeed dead forever, I sure hope you are right. I would love to see Friz together again for an episode. Where he again is there for her.

            Maybe its why Austin has been shelved for awhile?

          • Wanda Wolek
            Wanda Wolek commented
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            Either Chelsea did channel Franco - I like this theory - or she channeled the negative energy coming from Elizabeth. I didn't want Elizabeth to be haunting herself but seems where this story is going. All the things Chelsea said about the house and the negative energy was equivocal; it could apply to ghost Franco or to Elizabeth's subconscious.
        • ToThePoint
          Contract Poster
          • Dec 2015
          • 2768

          #9
          Maybe because Liz is out of her mind currently? She never expressed any belief in the paranormal before now. We were just told about her money issues but yet she has money to spend on this, really? It obvious that she is not grieving in a manner that healthy and the notion that those around her should wait her out or indulge her as she falls deeper down the rabbit hole does not make sense. In fact, nothing about this s/l makes any sense.

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          • c83gilles
            c83gilles commented
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            There is never any reason that anyone should have a problem with someone’s spiritual beliefs. Finn needs to fall back. We have seen Liz praying before.

            She didn’t want to spend her money on something she thought was luxurious like nails - but this is important enough to her to find answers that she was willing to take this chance. Her and her boys aren’t staying in their own home. This was definitely important to spend money on to find answers.

          • Wanda Wolek
            Wanda Wolek commented
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            I think that Kevin's, Laura's, and, especially, Finn's refusal to even consider that Chelsea might be on the up and up is pushing Elizabeth further down that rabbit hole. Why isn't Kevin, a psychiatrist, realizing that Elizabeth's need to believe it is Franco is a way of her acting on her grief? A grief she tamped down because she felt she needed to be strong for her sons. It's pretty darn obvious. And I think that is the main reason Finn is not happy about her pursuing trying to contact Franco. It pulls her away from him and back toward the dead husband she adored.

          • ToThePoint
            ToThePoint commented
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            Praying in the past has nothing to do with my comment and neither is her spiritual life or lack of one. It is clear that Liz is not well nor is she is coping or grieving in a healthy manner. She has lost control over herself and her life to the point where many have speculated that she is the one doing these things to herself without being aware.
            As I said, nothing about this s/l makes any sense. Liz lost her child and they didn’t have her behaving this way, but they have her in this state over Franco? And to add to the ridiculousness of it all, they decide to do all this long after Franco’s death.
        • lala214
          Senior Board Member
          • Apr 2018
          • 1992

          #10
          I didn't see the show today but I couldn't agree more w/you. Let her believe what she wants to believe. If it was harming her in some way, then I understand the concern, but I don't think she's being harmed by believing in Franco's ghost! lol

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          • c83gilles
            c83gilles commented
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            Agreed. And I hate to get sentimental here but I think many of us can come up with instances about a loved one we’ve lost still leaving us signs that they are still with us.
        • madluv4ya
          Senior Board Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 1744

          #11
          I hope Finn's lack of support for Liz is the reason they break up. I don't like them as a couple.

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          • Maxiegirl
            Aspiring soap scribe
            • Feb 2008
            • 33901

            #12
            Yeah I don’t like the sound of things! I didn’t watch today’s show. But I watched the show where Chelsea channels Franco. I agree with everyone who says that Finn, Laura and Kevin need to be more sensitive and supportive of Liz right now. They aren’t respecting her choices for herself. I’m starting to not like Finn and how he’s responding to her. I wish she had someone truly in her corner who allows her to deal with in her own way!

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            • Wanda Wolek
              Wanda Wolek commented
              Editing a comment
              I believe, in part, that Laura - especially - is worried by the emotional cracks she is seeing in Elizabeth. But Finn is another matter. I think he is so vehemently opposed to Chelsea because he somehow sees her encouraging Elizabeth to think about her dead husband. And Elizabeth's need to have it be Franco threatens the "family" Finn thinks they are creating together. So, his opposition seems more about him than about Elizabeth. Oh, and his need to be right. I keep using "paternalistic" to describe him because he is definitely thinking he knows what is best, so much so that he is no longer listening to Elizabeth.

            • c83gilles
              c83gilles commented
              Editing a comment
              This post also got me thinking - while Jason had no love for Franco - he would be the first one to be listening. To Liz and trying to support her. He would be completely understanding of her reaching out to Chelsea. So just another hole in Liz’s life right now. If it is her - well - it is understandable. Not that I am a Jason fan BUT he is still a major loss to Liz.

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