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I guess Michael and Willow won’t be going to Paris after all.
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Both Sam/Dante and Carly/Drew are having a much better day today.
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This will also fit into Harmony/Nina plan to see Wiley.Comment
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Either this will be over instantly when it comes out what the reporter said just before Michael punched him (batter is illegal, but you also cannot goad someone until they hit you). Or this idiotic plot will be used against Michael and Willow in the visitation story as if it would be at all relevant to a grandparent's visitation argument.
And before someone says that this would be relevant in a case for visitation, it would not. Nina's case would be to determine if her relationship with Wiley was in Wiley's best interest. Michael's rights beyond the right to prohibit contact with Nina would not be at issue. And Michael punching a harassing reporter does not have any factual relevance to Nina's potential influence on or relationship with Wiley.Comment
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Yes, I know. I still haven’t see it used to stop the State from pressing charges but then I’m not a criminal attorney. I practice DV law and touch the criminal side only in relation to DV cases where that has never been a complete defense.
At the end of the day, Michael had no right to punch this reporter, Scotty, or Chase! I don’t care what they said to him. It didn’t call for violence, and that is what I would argue to a jury. Do we really want to live in a world where anytime you say something nasty to someone, they have the right to assault you?! I don’t think so. And IIRC Scotty worked out something with Diane re: that assault. I’m not sure it was even reported. It went away so quickly. We don’t know what happened legally.
He can’t lay hands every time someone says something upsetting. He should be prosecuted, IMO. In my jurisdiction, it would be a SA and he would likely get probation. He wouldn’t get jail time. It was one punch.
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lala214 And my point was not that provocation is a defense (it's generally only a partial defense even when accepted and works as a mitigating factor). But it's a fact the prosecutors make decisions about whether to charge based on how things will play.
Scotty getting in Michael's face and saying gross things about his day immediately after using Michael girlfriend to out his father's relationship with a woman who had spend months hurting his family was gross. In that instance, while I don't think Scott was actively trying to provoke Michael so much as being an a-hole and gloating, Scotty would make terrible victim and Michael a very sympathetic defendant.
Likewise, the reporter literally chasing Michael down the hall TRYING to get a reaction out of him when it was clear Michael didn't even know what he was talking about. And when he only got a partial reaction dn it looked like Michael was about to leave, the report made a willfully provocative statement designed to get a rise out of Michael. Well, he got the reaction. And I'm not even sure it wasn't the reaction he wanted. He popped back up after whining about being assaulted and got his parting quote from Michael. He looked pretty pleased. Again, extremely crossed sympathies for a jury.
In real live, at least in CA, I would expect Michael to get a diversion offer where you plead no contest and are ordered to some kind of anger management and when you complete the class, the charges are dismissed. I don't particularly wish to watch this on my soap. I would like to see less punching. But I'm not a huge fan of slapping either. And we almost never see that charged. And that too is laying hands and assault.
Side note, Chase should have gotten charged and at minimum a diversion offer. He punched Valentin for even less cause than Michael punching the reporter and Valentin, in that situation, was the sympathetic party. -
rkm137 - Trust me. I know the prosecution makes decisions on what to charge. In my jurisdiction, if Michael was charged, it would be simple assault, which carries a penalty of up to 180 days in jail. Given his criminal history (murder), he may not be given a diversionary sentence but he would get probation. It was just one punch. Most of my clients’ abusers don’t get jail time for serious assaults so I doubt Michael would in real life unless the prosecutor wanted to make a point. Michael is a mob boss’s son. They may want to show they are hard on crime, esp for those connected to the criminal element.
I completely disagree with you about Scotty. Michael would not, IMO, make a sympathetic defendant. He assaulted a senior citizen because his bribery failed. Michael is a spoiled brat, and I would hope a jury would see that.
I didn’t see Friday’s show but I disagree that Michael’s actions are justified. He’s wrong. He cannot go around punching people each time he’s upset. If the show gives him some consequences for that, that’s fine with me!Last edited by lala214; March 19, 2022, 03:10 PM.
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I’m more worried about Trina being framed about this!!Comment
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So..... Nina can use this to get Wiley...and Sonny will let her.
Wonderful.
I need to look into this NY law for grandparents, because these writers have to be taking some liberties here. I can understand grandparents wanting rights for visitation, but the parents should still be able to dictate terms. It is still their child, after all. And WHY would Harmony, knowing she's a lie, join a lawsuit against her daughter? This makes no sense.Comment
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I don't practice in nor am I licensed in NY. But looked this up a couple times. The only law I found was one that allowed the parent of a deceased parent of a child to seek visitation with their grandchild irrespective of whether the child was subsequently adopted. So Harmony would not have standing.
The grandparent has the burden of proof and the law requires judges give significant weight to parental preferences regarding who gets to visit their children. Then balance the parents' objections with other factors, including current family structure and the extent of any existing relationship. And evidence of animosity between the parents and grandparents is relevant but not determinative.
There is some language which I'm sure Nina supporters (and possibly GH writers) with latch onto regarding consideration of whether the parents prevented a relationship. But that would be hard for Nina since her lack of a relationship is part the fault of a kidnapping and part her decision to leave town for 6 months with only a handful of visits and face time. The limited time during which Michael and Willow have restricted her visiting Wiley represents less than have the time it's been known Nina was (might be) Wiley's grandmother.
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So Phyllis knew Lorraine Miller. Interesting ?Comment
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If Nina can somehow convince Harmony to sue for visitation, doesn't seem like it would be protocol for the court to have DNA proof that they are Wiley's grandmothers.
That would be wild if the both were not his bio-grandma's!Comment
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They'll always have Paris.
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I didn't think Michael & Willow would make it to Paris to begin with. LOL! I'm glad Jordan arrested Michael. He can't go punching others just because they say something he doesn't like. He punched Scotty & now this reporter. He needs to face the consequences. I can't stand Michael anyways. So whatever pain & misery comes at him, I'm all for it.Comment
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Maxiegirl Chase & Scotty are both idiots for not pressing charges when they had the chance.
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There need to be consequences for assaulting someone, even a jerk reporter who is trying to get a great quote. Chase deserved his suspension for punching Valentin, even though provoked. The same should be true for Michael. A person can't go around punching people just because they're annoying, not even if the last name is Corinthos.Comment
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Wanda Wolek & @lala214
I didn't say it was okay or excused. It was simply not a sucker punch. It's up there with calling Sonny killing AJ "in cold blood." It absolutely wasn't in cold blood. Saying that things were not premeditated and calmly planned or they occurred in a different context than suggested is not to justify or condone them.
Punches happen on soaps. Things I would never accept from someone in real life I can get past on a soap. I didn't like Michael punching Chase. Nor did I like Chase punching Valentin. But I understand both instances were used to communicate heightened emotions. -
rkm137 - Punches don’t bother me either. I just hate double standards. If Willow told Nina she was glad her daughter was dead and happy she could never have another AND Nina slapped her - there would be massive calls for Nina to be arrested and thrown in the psych ward because Nina is hated on this board. No one would be saying Nina was provoked; they would be cheering on Willow.
Just be consistent. If Nina would have to be charged them Michael should be charged too. Let everyone be charged for all the assaults that happen on this show. Michael shouldn’t have punched that guy. He was arrested. It is what it is.
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So Chase gets suspension from his job for punching a guy, but Michael gets arrested for punching a guy? Just because Jordan witnessed it? WTFrack?Comment
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xoregonian, I would love for Michael to get some court-ordered anger management therapy. I understand why he is so angry, I probably would be too after the year he's had, but the punching of people who say things he doesn't like is not the way to handle said anger. -
Exactly Wanda Wolek ! I’m not a Nina fan but I don’t hate her. I’m neutral on Nina. That said, I acknowledge her actions re: Sonny were morally wrong. She didn’t do anything illegal, but it was morally wrong. I just don’t care that she did it.
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lala214 The only real thing that Nina did that was illegal was to not tell any authorities about seeing Peter and his threatening her with James or whatever. Peter was an internationally wanted murdering criminal and it was her duty to inform law enforcement of his whereabouts.
It could be called aiding and abetting if not something else worse, like colluding with a wanted criminal.
But of course Nina "had a good reason" for what she did. I'm indifferent to Nina anymore. Don't care one hoot about her.
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Michael should be ordered to take anger management classesComment
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Carablue, Chase "got off" with a three-month job suspension!?! Plus, that incident will end up in his personnel file. I doubt Michael will even spend a night in jail. Also, Chase hitting Valentin was the first time I can remember Chase hitting someone. But for Michael, this is number 3, and the last two have been very close together. Yes, he needs anger management classes.
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