What's the difference.. Liz vs. Nina

[jarly4ever]

What's the difference.. Liz vs. Nina
Let me preface this by saying that I'm a huge Liz fan. I was already when Becky Hurst first came on the scene in the teen storyline and I loved her and Lucky. She is one of my favorite leading ladies.

That being said, let's get serious. Nina hid Sonny away from his family almost an entire year out of sight, in a different city.
Where as Liz kept "Jason" out of sight from his family in the same town, because she knew who he was and didn't say anything, again for almost a year.

Why is the character of Nina so hated and Liz is always forgiven? Is it because Nina is a more recently new character and we don't have as much history to appreciate her fully?

I'm no fan of what Nina did, however, it's practically the same situation except Liz had the audacity to hide "Jason" in plain sight.

Up until recently, I had always compared Nina to Alcazar, but lately, when I think about it, I feel that this more parallels the Liz storyline from years ago.

Thoughts? Disagree? I'd like to discuss of that's ok?

Also, I have to say that I'm very excited about this current storyline with liz. Even if it turns out to be DID, I think it's going to be very exciting

[jenroj]

I totally agree with your comparison.

[soapfiction]

Liz was hated and she wasn't quickly forgiven as I recall. That was one of the reasons her and Franco bonded actually because she was iced out. Liz got all that hate, and it turned out he was actually John Doe/Drew...not even Jason. The hate for Nina will eventually ebb off I believe....it just needs time. Plus, Nina's not going anywhere, and she does have her supporters (I'm not one of them, however I don't hate the character).

[rkm137]

Liz wasn't hated. Even Sam and "Jason" weren't allow to hate her. They were just mad. Robin coddled her. Monical didn't even get to see her until Jake was injured and Monica sympathized as a mother.

Liz was a pariah in her own mind. However, to me that is where she was MILES better than Nina. Liz felt so much guilt and was so convinced she had made everyone hate her, that she acted like a pariah. Liz punished herself. Whereas, Nina just says "I didn't want to hurt more than Carly and I wasn't strong. But I can't change it.... so, Bygones!"

[lala214]

I agree with rkm137 . Liz was NOT the town pariah, and she wasn't hated by anyone except Sam. That arc was primarily "tell" rather than "show." We heard how Liz was a pariah but we never actually saw that.

[Kristabell]

Liz walked away and didn't continue to pursue a continued relationship after the first few weeks after the reveal! Granted Drew believed that he was Jason and walked away unlike Sonny who can't give up Nina? In the end it isn't the same because it turns out wasn't Jason either and Drew has recently said Finn is a Lucky man to be in a relationship with Elizabeth because he remembers what it's like to be loved by Elizabeth!

[c83gilles]

Liz lost her small child. Said small child comes back from the dead but isn’t the same child both physically and mentally she remembers. Man that she’s already connected with and catching feelings for turns out to be the father of child. Scared she would lose her chance to recreate her family and keep it together. Does this give her a pass? No. Does it shed some light on her decision for me? Yes.

now - I really don’t have a problem with what Nina did - frankly anyway the Corinthos family can suffer is fine by me. But she came at it with the intent of doing wrong - and caught feelings for Sonny after deceiving him. Kind of like a reversal of Liz.

I really am not bothered either way - both are tame Compared to what else we’ve seen.

I don’t think either situation is like the other minus dude with amnesia.

[lala214]

There's no difference. It's the exact same story.

[OLTLBoomer]

What Liz did was a moment of selfishness and wanting to be loved by someone. I do not remember Liz as a selfish person. I remember when she learned the truth from Nic - she was heartbroken, and then defiant, and it cost LIz her reputation for a long, long time. Liz stayed away from jason/ Drew, and moved on with Franco over Time.

Nina IS a self centered person and has been since Day 1. We all have been made aware of her controlling nature through her actions and from history with other characters.
Nina did the same thing, and then blames other people for her actions - Carly as the prime example in today's eppy.
Nina did not stay away from Sonny - he asked her to stay away. Nina would take advantage of everytime she was around Sonny to mention NF. Nina played Sonny's memories of NF.
Nina has always wanted Sonny and even talked with Phyllis about getting back with him If the CarSon marriage went kaput. Nina says one thing and then does the opposite. Three characters have called her on what she says and Phyllis even warned her to stay away from Sonny, and she did not.

That is the diiference between Liz and Nina.

[december rose]

Well said.

Liz was not quicky forgiven at all

nd as someone pointed out above. Liz being a PC outcast is what caused her to first bond with Franco

[AMK]

I agree. Liz didn't start out with bad intentions to hurt anyone, like Nina did. Liz didn't have a history of bullying and hurting other people, Nina did. Liz felt remorse and was hard on herself, Nina was selfish and kept rationalizing what she did. Liz didn't blame anyone for what she did, but Nina got fixated on blaming Carly. There's a big difference between the intentions, remorseful, and actions of both women.

[Manninglover87]

I hated Liz almost much as I hate Nina now. The situations were exactly the same. Both took advantage of amnesiacs for their own selfishness. The only thing that made me hate Liz just a tad less than Nina is that Drew was actually smart enough to leave Liz and never look back. Nina should not be rewarded with a relationship with the man she victimized.

[TVDfan]

If I remember correctly Liz learned later on it was Jason. Different face different personality…now we know why.

Nina knew Sonny was missing found him, but kept it to herself she excuses herself that Carly didn’t let her speak, but she could have tell the police, Phyllis or Michael about Sonny.

[kat401]

Yeah, when you strip it down to the bare facts, Elizabeth did the same thing that Nina did. But the circumstances were different. First of all, Elizabeth had a relationship with Jake Doe from the moment he arrived at GH after Ava ran him over destroying his appearance and memory in one fell swoop. She was already in love with the man when she learned that he was Jason (but not really as it turned out he was Drew). Nina didn't know Sonny at all when she ran into him in Nixon Falls. She knew who he was, and that he had a family who thought he was dead. She chose not to tell him out of spite against Carly for being such a bitch to her on the phone.

They both initially had the impulse to tell the truth right away and then they both decided not to. Nina for spite and Elizabeth because she still had feelings for Jason on top of her feelings for Jake. The both tried really hard to keep their secrets and they both felt like pariahs once they were found out.

Elizabeth had no choice - once her secret was out, it was all the way out and she had no choice but to walk away because even though Jason(Drew) didn't remember being Jason, he felt betrayed by Elizabeth and cut her off. Nina's secret only came out halfway, she still had her secret love affair even after Sonny got his memories back. So one of the big differences between Nina and Elizabeth was how the amnesia victim viewed them. Sonny, for some inexplicable reason, didn't feel betrayed by Nina and still cares about her.

So Elizabeth paid for her sins right away. And people got over it and forgave her. Nina hasn't paid. And that's why I hate her.

[ToThePoint]

Both abhorrent in what they did. And no, Elizabeth did not suffer and consequences either, and contrary to the falsehood that is often repeated, her reputation did not suffer nor was she a pariah.

and yes, Liz tried to pursue Jakeson after he left her and like her son Jason, she lied and manipulated circumstances to tried to get him back. Main difference is that Jakeson saw through Liz’s manipulations and use of her son, and unlike Sonny, he didn’t fall for her tricks. But similarly, they writers rewarded the violator's with close relationships with the women who victimized them.

So yes, there is a difference in what Nina and what Liz did, that difference is that what Liz did was worse. Liz sacrificed and further traumatized her kid who just came back from the dead to keep another woman’s husband. Oh yes, her months of lies and duplicity directly resulted in Robin being held captive and tortured longer than she had to.

[c83gilles]

Sorry - but most people on this show get a relationship out of treating someone awful. Sam terrorized Jason’s child consistently and still got to keep Jason. That’s really about as sick as it gets to me. Sonny treats Carly like garbage for two decades and keeps getting her. There are many more examples. Liz did too get treated like a pariah - thus her and Franco - two outcasts finding each one there and starting over. Liz had to rebuild her reputation - of course the people who loved her the most like Robin, Patrick, hospital staff, etc, we’re going to forgive her because they loved her.

[Mary Mae Ward1]

When people who you harm are not warm and friendly towards you, that does not make you a pariah.

And Sam consistently terrorized Jason's child? On what show?

Lastly Franco basically dumped Nina for Liz. And Liz didn't lose any friends, not one, she just lost her chances to have sex with the man she knew didn't want her.

[c83gilles]

Mary Mae Ward1 on what show? Why the show that we all watch. sam watched while a strange woman kidnapped Jake - staying quiet to get Jake

to disappear. Then she refused to let Liz and Lucky go on her show because she wanted Jake to remain gone. She hired two men with guns to confront Liz at the park to get Jason to stay away from Liz and his child. she
Taunted Liz about Jake being missing knowing full well where he was. She unleashed Carly on her by telling Carly about Jake’s paternity, knowing that Carly is a loose cannon. Then she proceeded to lie about it to Lucky. There was a reason why Jason had to threaten to kill Sam - any parent whose kid is being threaded would be as mad as Jason was. It really should of been Liz though who threatened that. ?

[AnotherSonnyKid]

Well I personally am not a Liz fan, never have been. I think she can be rotten selfish and manipulative when it suits her. With that said I will add atleast Liz did not start the Jakeson out of getting revenge on one person. Also Liz was not so easy forgiven from what I recall and Nina has had a very smooth return to town as far as I am concerned.

[AnotherSonnyKid]

c83gilles , some more than others and to me Liz is one of the front runners in that department plus she likes to act sanctimonious to boot.

[Francophile]

c83gilles You speak truth to power! Selfish, manipulative (arguably even outrageous) behaviors are pretty much soap staples. TPTB just LOVE to overuse them!! TBH, when characters do not exhibit one or more of these qualities, we often label them as dull, boring duds, lol! But I do think TPTB could do better mixing things up!

[c83gilles]

Francophile I agree - every.
Single. Character. On this show has done dirt - but for some reason we don’t look at their overall positives. The big three characters (well I guess the big two now) are the ones who still like clockwork commit stupidity all the time. The others - They at some point keep their nose out of trouble but are always going to open their mouths and reek of hypocrisy. That’s just the name of the game at this point. In the past 6 months I have wanted Britt, Maxie, BLQ, Willow, Michael, and some others to just slap themselves over the self righteousness they spew but it is what it is. The writers either forget about history or really don’t care because they don’t think it’s worth it. We can’t name not one character who hasn’t fallen into this trap. Totally agree.

[thecourt99]

I've seen this question before, and for me, the answer is always the same.

Nina knew from the beginning that it was Sonny and kept him from his family.
Liz HAD NO CLUE who Jason really was until after she'd already fallen in love with him.

When the truth came out, Jason iced Liz out, as did most of the people related to him. There was a penance, and you can argue about how much of one existed, but there was a time she was iced out.

The truth is out, and Sonny's relationship with Nina has accelerated. While some people have gone off on Nina, she also has a good number of people in her corner. Every once in a while Nina goes in a tirade about how what she did was justified. I don't see any penance from Nina. At all.

Not saying Liz wasn't wrong. She was, but the circumstances were different enough for me. Also...how Liz acted after the fact and how Nina acted after the fact is also a huge difference.

[lala214]

Liz still found out and said nothing. It was her "time" with Jason. She was just as wrong as Nina and Kim though Kim was the worst, IMO. She and Liz were friends when she took advantage of Liz's mentally ill husband! Say what you will but Liz and Sam and Nina and Carly were never friends! That doesn't excuse their actions but it's not like they knowingly screwed over a friend as Kim did.

JMO.

[divamagenta]

Agreed that the huge difference was that Liz got to know "John Doe," completely unaware he was actually Jason until they had already fallen deeply in love. It doesn't make it right that she didn't say something when she found out, but it's certainly far more understandable in that context. Nina, OTOH, knew from the moment she laid eyes on Smike, but she just didn't care.

[DayRose]

In my opinion Elizabeth is a good person who made a bad mistake. Nina has always been a disgusting human who makes bad mistakes.

[RoccoG1996]

I never hated Liz for her actions and I don’t hate Nina. Same storyline in my opinion just different characters and they were sacrificed to pump up Carly and Sam as the innocent wives. I hate the character of Carly because all of crimes and meddling got thrown under the rug to make her look innocent.

[lala214]

I’m with you. Honestly, that time was the most interesting I found Liz and Nikolas!! I loved it. It was wrong but interesting. I have no problem with bad characters or bad acts. My issue is with biased writing and favoritism.