Charlotte and the snake{merged}

[ScrubsFan#1 Executive Poster Find all posts View Profile Close ScrubsFan#1]

Can we PLEASE get this child some help now???

Honestly - in all seriousness - I hope Lulu and Valentine band together and do what is best to get her some help or therapy.

She is getting worse - and will continue to do so until she is stopped.

It is partly genetics - and partly her upbringing.

But it's time to stop play games - and start to get serious about this before somebody gets truly hurt.

[samson2 Soap Addict Find all posts View Profile Close samson2]

First they started showing her problems with Aiden and the bullying, then they dropped that and didn’t follow through, next cutting Sashas face, tripping Jax and now the snake . Lulu is never gonna accept her child has mental health problems, as far as Val I doubt he will either.

[Eeloie313]

I think Lulu will. She was all in stopping the bullying. Val was in until Nina jumped in. If they can keep Nina out of it, they might stand a chance.

[lukeslove Aspiring soap scribe Find all posts View Profile Close lukeslove]

I hope they don't just give that old excuse "she is just acting out". Having those type of thoughts, cutting up a picture, tripping Jax and now this putting a deadly snake in the piñata is a child who is disturbed. Maybe Charlotte needs to be packed off to a special school in France where she can speak French.

[envious01 Soap Addict Find all posts View Profile Close envious01]

These people can’t even see actual adults scheming right before their eyes, what makes you think they’ll put two and two together to realize that Charlotte unleashed a snake in the party

[jmpenn90 Contract Poster Find all posts View Profile Close jmpenn90]

I bet her favorite character in Harry Potter is Voldemort

[Carerra Board Regular Find all posts View Profile Close Carerra]

Well I know the politically correct thought and response is counseling.....in my day whup her A$$!

[ScrubsFan#1]

A spanking is just going to make her more angry and resentful - and even more determined to lash out against others. Wouldn't do a thing to help her behavior. At this point - I don't even know if intense therapy would help.

An exorcism is looking better and better.

[BettieCat]

Yes, I'm sure teaching her that the stronger person gets to dominate and harm the weaker one will totally get rid of her behavior problems...(sarcasm).

Or maybe, they could look together at the fact that both of her families disintegrated at roughly the same time.

Dante left for his "mission" and then never really returned and Valentin and Nina had the wedding debacle.

So, she's lost the stability she had in her life. That affects a kid.

Counselling actually does help in giving kids the tools to deal with things instead of resorting to violence.

[Eeloie313]

Her bad behavior started before any breakups happened. So don't go making excuses for the bad seed!

[Catacombsdude Lurking in the Shadows Find all posts View Profile Close Catacombsdude]

Can the writers just kill her off? I am disgusted by this little cujo child and the attention on her is ruining the show and a complete waste of time.

[eileenregina]

OMG I remember little Michael. One time he wanted to order a hit on someone. He was around 10 years old. I am surprised how he turned out given he was initially a twisted little creep who constantly back talked adults.

[LukeIsDaMan]

For as much as I loved Starr, Spencer, Charlotte...I loathed little Michael with the fire of a thousand suns! Lol! If the archives are here, my rants are probably still there too lol!

[RosePetals]

omg I hated little Michael too. GH always has some kind of devilish child on. Now it's Charlotte.

[MalteseBaby Scriptwriter Find all posts View Profile Close MalteseBaby]

There was something seriously " OFF" with Charlotte the night she jumped into the harbor or moat or whatever it was, knowing it was freezing cold weather. Her magical thinking was that Nik would appear and save her. Like she is the Princess of the World. Nik was partly to blame but children don't risk their lives like this normally. They believe " Someone is watching over me" and STILL try to be the best child they can be!!!

She is 10 years old. Her psychological development has taken a very sinister turn. High risk behavior for self- harm and harm of a tiny 4 year old is pathological. The other things were warning signs but 2 incidents are showing risk to herself ( the jump into the water and handling a snake or snakes) and then being poised to release the snakes at Violet's birthday party. A 4 year old is very young and Charlotte knows this. Normally, since this is not her younger sibling, thus no rivalry issues, she would be friendly and nice to a younger child, realizing they are more easily hurt physically and also more scared.

The child who knows something is dangerous like jumping into deep cold water and expecting to be rescued without thought to drowning, or who handles snakes and is going to let one loose on a tiny 4 year old girl is a budding Antisocial Personality Disordered individual. What most people call a " psychopath" or " sociopath".

Self- harm with little to no thought is a cardinal symptom in a child and so is plotting and planning to hurt other children with a snakebite, whether venomous or not! A snake's mouth is utterly filthy, and most snake bite wounds cause illness because of infection. Charlotte may not know that but she knows " Snakes are scary and bad" to very young children.

Someone on the writing team checked out a Child Psychology textbook before writing this arc of Charlotte's life, IMO. It's classic textbook huge red signs of a child in deep psychological distress.
At 10, she can be helped. I've never seen an ASPD child, and the textbook treatment at age 10 is LONG inpatient care at one of maybe 4 facilities in the US or W. Europe capable of retraining her behavior, and very close, almost 1 on 1 watching and relearning of reward systems for GOOD behavior only. The chances of this being a " phase" in her development at age 10 are NIL because she knows right from wrong, and understands what death and dying are.

Isn't Nelle enough on the " Will do anything for hate" scale?

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MalteseBaby, do you think there is any reactive attachment disorder here? I am currently working on a case with a child who has been diagnosed with it (age 12 now) and unfortunately even tho he was given some treatment in an institution for 2 years it was not the right treatment and he is institutionalized again. He was also subject to severe abuse but RAD is his primary diagnosis with ADHD.

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RosePetals- It depends upon what Charlotte's early life was like. IF she was with Claudette and loved by her and bonded to her, then certainly there was grief and perhaps maladjustment when Valentin took Charlotte away or Claudette died or however that happened ( It is a bit murky).

Usually, though, reactive attachment disorder is diagnosed when we see a failure of a baby to form normal attachments to primary caregivers in early childhood.We don't know what kind of mother Claudette was, but causes for the failure of the infant to learn to trust could result from severe early experiences of neglect, abuse, or abrupt and permanent separation from caregivers between the ages of six months and the second, some say up to third year of life. As far as I know, the infant cannot cause the lack of attachment, only the adult caregiver can.

A form of attachment disorder can form later in life, with features of anxiety and anger or withdrawal but not the " blankness" seen in RAD.
The first 12 to possibly 24 months of life is the period a human learns " Trust vs. Mistrust" and I believe it's the hardest disorder to ever make huge improvements with, because the child does not have " intent" at that age. I think on GH, they are continuing the theory that Valentin is the person Charlotte loves and only Valentin with Nina being " gone". I do believe she is bonded to him and loves him genuinely. He's just not stable and consistent for various reasons.

What you are dealing with, more than likely, in the truest sense, is trying to teach a 12 year old to LOVE and TRUST. I know you have your own methods, but in the absence of violence, a loving type sturdy dog can often be the tiny accepting constant that gets through to an older child. The ADHD may well be a manifestation of the " Reactive" part of the primary disorder. Adults with anxiety may wring their hands and pace, children with anxiety due to RAD may well be too anxious to pay attention and be relaxed like their peers. The child with RAD is always " on guard".
I haven't seen this with Charlotte, have you?? Also, no signs of ADHD with her as far as I've seen.
Sorry this weaves real life and a soap. Charlotte likely did bond to Claudette, so no, she doesn't have and never has had RAD is the short answer, IMO.

[RosePetals]

Thank you for your thoughtful response

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MalteseBaby, I appreciate it

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ScrubsFan#1

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ScrubsFan#1 that may be true but her A$$ would still be whupped

[Pamcho Contract Poster Find all posts View Profile Close Pamcho]

I assume that is a coral snake, which is poisonous. Note that Finn mentioned that he had an Epi-pen. So will the snake bite one of the guests and be saved by the Epi-pen. My question is: how did a child get hold of a poisonous snake?

[McShirls]

Good question. Although with her own credit card with a crazy limit I guess anything is possible.

[Sam_Philly_Girl]

IRL it's a Scarlet King Snake (they resemble the venomous Coral Snake). I'm curious to see if GH will actually have Charlotte deliberately purchase a poisonous snake with Valentine's Credit Card.

I don't believe it's legal to sell venomous reptiles.

[MalteseBaby]

***I'm sorry but an Epi- Pen would cause a child to die from a venomous bite very quickly by speeding up their heart rate.***

The treatment for venomous snake bites outside a hospital is to lower the affected limb and cool it ( but not direct ice use). Keep the person calm and reassure them while getting EMS help. Use of a tourniquet to reduce blood flow to the extremity may rarely have to be used if far out in the field.
Transport to a hospital and likely, administer pediatric antivenom if it exists.

I think no child will be bitten, or at least, will not face death, because this is just beyond the pale. It would be tragic for little Violet or one of her friends to have this happen because of a malicious child, likely a budding psychopathic child.

Also, because Finn is an Infectious Disease specialist, there may be a side story from this. The main risk to most people with a snake bite is the horrible anaerobic bacteria present in the snake's mouth. I've seen necrotizing of feet and hands many times from non venomous snake bites with us infusing every possible helpful antibiotic IV. Now it's called something else, mostly by the media- " Flesh eating disease".

[militarymom Senior Board Member Find all posts View Profile Close militarymom]

Charlotte isn't being overly subtle about being up to something. She, and her parents, need some major counselling.

[karmasita Soap Addict Find all posts View Profile Close karmasita]

Didn’t whoever brought Charlotte to the party notice she was carrying a BIG ASS BURLAP SACK??? “Nothing to see here , just a secret present for the party”, or that she keeps sitting under the foyer table?

[Pamcho]

LOL so true. Lulu is oblivious

[MalteseBaby]

Kind of goes with her ugly dress and shoes was my first thought LOL.

[farmgirl Board Regular Find all posts View Profile Close farmgirl]

I think it is interesting watching Chatlotte do all these things. I do hope she gets caught, punished, and eventually helped, but I do find it to have an
unusual edge.

[eileenregina]

Like the movie the Bad Seed. If you ever saw it, that child was an outright murderer who killed a fellow student to get the medal he won at school because in her words "it belonged to her". I can see Charlotte turning into this.

[LukeIsDaMan Executive Poster Find all posts View Profile Close LukeIsDaMan]

Sorry, but I absolutely loved it and I hope they don't squash an interesting character by getting her help, etc. Charlotte reminds me a lot of young Starr from One Life to Live...and Helena is her grandmother, so she should have a bit a bratty spunk to her!

[ScrubsFan#1]

No problem at all - tone is the hardest thing to determine on the computer. I've made the same mistake when misinterpreting other people's posts.

And no matter the outcome - I feel we're going to be in for one wild ride with Charlotte.

I've flipped flopped with Carson as well. Loathe them for what they did to AJ - but am on their side with Nelle - and love watching Sonny's support of Mike.

[Friz4ever]

As I remember it Blair was dating Max on oltl. Starr didn't like it because she wanted Blair and tod d back together. Starr somehow got paranah fis h and placed them in maxs bath. Lol it was funny. It could be fun if they make Charlotte like starr.

[LukeIsDaMan]

Thanks

ScrubsFan#1

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ScrubsFan#1 and I definitely agree we are in for one wild ride with Charlotte that’s for sure.

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Friz4ever, I remember that hehe! 🤣🤣

[dancingqueen12 Board Regular Find all posts View Profile Close dancingqueen12]

Didn’t whoever brought Charlotte to the party notice she was carrying a BIG ASS BURLAP SACK??? “Nothing to see here , just a secret present for the party”, or that she keeps sitting under the foyer table?

Right! That was one of my first thoughts - how did she get the burlap bag past her Mother and/or ANY of the other adults around. Geez 🙄. I used to hide cigarettes from my parents - but my goodness - NEVER despite how much I disliked anyone would I bring a snake to a party. Just wow!

[McShirls]

Perhaps it was all folded up in her backpack. It's always lulu's fault, not the father that gave her the credit card with the massive credit limit. SMH