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Why is everyone schooling Ava about losing Kiki, but no vice versa?

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  • #1

    Why is everyone schooling Ava about losing Kiki, but no vice versa?

    It's not like Ava set out to lose her daughter. I don't understand this at all - Kiki and Griffin are victims in this? I don't even like Ava, it's not about that. I just don't get wht she is always the "bad" one, even now when she changed for saintly Griffin, and he bumpsed her daughter, and her daughter slut-shamed and age-shamed her?! I don't get the writers' moral compass on this show at all.

    Has anyone said to Kiki "you may lose your mother and regret it forever?" No?
    Last edited by bipalova; October 4, 2018, 10:55 AM.
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  • #2
    I see it in a completely different way, but this topic has been discussed so many times that I'm not interested in going over it again.

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    • bipalova
      #2.1
      bipalova commented
      October 4, 2018, 10:53 AM
      Editing a comment
      Ok, thanks for your contribution LOL

    • Wild Horses
      #2.2
      Wild Horses commented
      October 4, 2018, 04:27 PM
      Editing a comment
      So why did you even comment if you are not interested?
  • #3
    Ava has to blamed for everything. Kiki and Griffin slept together and even that seems to be Ava's fault even though her daughter slut -shamed her and age-shamed her and even that seems to be Ava's fault. I love Ava but I hate how much they put everything on her like everything is her fault. Ava is always the person everyone gets to walk all over no matter what.

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    • ernni
      #3.6
      ernni commented
      October 5, 2018, 12:31 AM
      Editing a comment
      Umm, Ava went to forgive Kiki. She told her how much she loved her and didn't want a man to come between them. Then she saw Griffin was there and in her justified hurt, she lashed out. Instead of caring about her pain, they both dug into her.
    • Silentfan
      #3.7
      Silentfan commented
      October 5, 2018, 07:26 AM
      Editing a comment
      Didn’t she also walk in on Kiki making fun of her?
    • AngelOfSoap
      #3.8
      AngelOfSoap commented
      October 5, 2018, 09:52 AM
      Editing a comment
      Ava did go to Kiki to make amends. Ava didn't want a man to come between her and her daughter and told Kiki she love and forgave her. Then Ava saw Griffin partially dressed and noticed Kiki was also partially dressed and jumped to a reasonable conclusion that neither attempted to clear up. I felt bad for Ava because she does love her daughter no matter what she says. Ava is hurt right now and has every right to be. She told Julian that Kiki didn't even apologize for sleeping with Griffin. If it was just something that happened and meant nothing then Kiki should have told Ava that but she hasn't done that. Ava apologized to Kiki however Kiki acts as if she does no wrong. Kiki and Ava may never ever get along but regarding the one night stand with Griffin, Kiki should apologize if she is really sorry as she originally portrayed she was.
  • #4
    If Ava hadn't purposefully jeopardized Kiki's court case before trying to actually talk to Kiki about it and find out what went down I would agree w/you. I guess I haven't seen any example of Ava having any self-awareness about the situation and her being downright indignant when Franco and Julian remind her of her repeated betrayls of Kiki is just off putting.

    I think everyone who has urged Ava to try and repair her relationship w/ Kiki is all to familiar with the dynamics of their relationship and knows that #1 Ava had this coming, #2 Ava wasn't really THAT into Griffin and is more embarrassed than hurt (I know she claimed she loved him but we all know that relationship was never gonna go the distance and deep down so did Ava), and #3 that Ava does monstrous things without thinking about the repercussions and they don't want her to do something to Kiki that she will regret.

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    • O_Snap!
      #4.2
      O_Snap! commented
      October 5, 2018, 01:22 PM
      Editing a comment
      THAT has nothing to do with Kiki and Ava. This thread is not about why Kiki didn't tell Alexis and frankly, Ava didn't know whether or not Kiki was completely honest with Alexis because she didn't bother to talk to her.
    • laudanum
      #4.3
      laudanum commented
      October 5, 2018, 09:34 PM
      Editing a comment
      Okay, first of all you don't get to tell me how I get to respond to a comment in any thread, moderate your own board. Secondly, you opened the door to commentary concerning the court case by mentioning it as pertains to Ava and Kiki's broken relationship. Third, my comment wasn't about why Kiki didn't tell Alexis the unvarnished truth, but about how Ava's contribution to the spectacle that became of that trial didn't happen in a vacuum; Kiki (or Griffin) telling Alexis the truth keeps Griffin off the stand.
    • O_Snap!
      #4.4
      O_Snap! commented
      October 9, 2018, 09:53 AM
      Editing a comment
      Oh please, no one told you how you could respond. Stop with the fake indignation. The thread is about their relationship and not the specifics of the court case. I mentioned the court case because I was talking about Kiki's anger at her mother for part in intentionally trying to tank her case.
  • #5
    I could be wrong but it look like Kiki was set up to be Ninas daughter and the reason people like Julian Franco, Griffin and Nina herself were questioning Ava’s attitude toward Kiki but I think the story had to be shifted due to the actress that plays Kiki departure.

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    • BellesRose
      #5.2
      BellesRose commented
      October 4, 2018, 11:33 AM
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      This is what I think as well.
    • 1sbkmcfan
      #5.3
      1sbkmcfan commented
      October 4, 2018, 02:05 PM
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      Thank goodness Kiki is leaving. I didn't want her to be Nina's daughter.
    • mistasoapz
      #5.4
      mistasoapz commented
      October 9, 2018, 06:13 PM
      Editing a comment
      It still doesn’t make sense to me... but let’s run with the theory that Kiki is really Nina’s daughter. Since Ava raised her since birth I don’t think it matters if she is her daughter biologically or not. She would still view Kiki as her own. But Ava has always been like this and it started when she was with Morgan. Even when she was Denise... she just puts her needs before any and everyone else. I hope this isn’t the endgame for their mother-daughter relationship. I like both Kiki and Ava and I feel like Kiki doesn’t deserve much blame only because of Ava’s actions. Showing up to the grave yesterday was too much. Yes, they’ve moved past the situation but that doesn’t give Ava the right to go to his grave. It’s like she doesn’t think what she did was wrong.
  • #6
    I feel like Ava’s sole purpose on this show is to make Sonny look better then he really is. But to answer your question I don't understand it either. Other than I think Ava is better off without the sanctimonious Corinthos cheerleader that Kiki is. I am hoping that Kiki becomes one of Ryans victims so I don't have to see or hear from her anymore.

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    • december rose
      #6.1
      december rose commented
      October 4, 2018, 11:21 AM
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      Blame Sonny, but he has had no involvement in this story.
    • GM Incognito
      #6.2
      GM Incognito commented
      October 4, 2018, 11:25 AM
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      I was just pointing out that Kiki has been a Corinthos cheerleader keeping Avery from her mother. I blame Kiki for her choosing to side with the Corinthos. Did she really think that would have no affect on her mother?
    • alwayshuntress
      #6.3
      alwayshuntress commented
      October 5, 2018, 03:26 PM
      Editing a comment
      I think Kiki is far more concerned with the effect her mother will have on Avery than the effect the Corinthos family will, which is why she's Team Corinthos (the whole family) rather than Team Ava (just the one person) Michael (who Kiki trusts implicitly) adores Sonny and Carly and both of them would die for their kids whereas Ava will happily betray hers for a roll in the hay - repeatedly...and then stab them in the back the first time the screw up.
  • #7
    Originally posted by bipalova View Post
    It's not like Ava set out to lose her daughter. I don't understand this at all - Kiki and Griffin are victims in this? I don't even like Ava, it's not about that. I just don't get wht she is always the "bad" one, even now when she changed for saintly Griffin, and he bumpsed her daughter, and her daughter slut-shamed and age-shamed her?! I don't get the writers' moral compass on this show at all.

    Has anyone said to Kiki "you may lose your mother and regret it forever?" No?
    It’s a set up for Kiki getting killed by Ryan seeing how HE will be leaving .

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    • #8
      I don't know, but I'm so sick of their endless psychodrama that I won't be sorry to see Kiki go.

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      • franron
        #8.1
        franron commented
        October 5, 2018, 03:47 PM
        Editing a comment
        Lucky for Morgan that he was suffering from undiagnosed bi-polar and had no responsibility in looking up/hooking up with his brand new MIL, who, up until then showed no interest in her daughter's boyfriend.
    • #9
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      Originally posted by Chabby lover View Post
      Ava has to blamed for everything. Kiki and Griffin slept together and even that seems to be Ava's fault even though her daughter slut -shamed her and age-shamed her and even that seems to be Ava's fault. I love Ava but I hate how much they put everything on her like everything is her fault. Ava is always the person everyone gets to walk all over no matter what.
      ava had sex with Morgan when he was tech still married to Kiki(or maybe their marriage just ended )

      she then happily had sex with Morgan while Kiki elived her to be dead. and the only reason kiki belived her to be dead? is ava didn't wanna sit in prison for murdering connie


      ava has every right to hate griffin. But she did kiki way worse. so sorry-she shouldn't be a bitch to her kid. Im not saying she had to insta forgive kiki. but I woud have been nice for her to say-I let yo think I was dead and did your boyfriend at the same time. who am I to judge you for drunken one night stand then. instead ava pretty much calls kiki a whore and acts like she has a prpplem keeping her legs closed-so no wonder ava gets ectured

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      • O_Snap!
        #9.2
        O_Snap! commented
        October 4, 2018, 01:25 PM
        Editing a comment
        Kiki found out Morgan was lying to her in the middle of her wedding reception. She left the party with Michael and they hung out together that night and did not have sex. They were not shown to have had sex and they both stated they spent the rest of the night talking. Up until that point her and Michael only kissed once and both agreed that it was wrong #1 because they thought they were cousins and #2 because she was engaged to his brother. They agonized over that stupid kiss. I'm so over this simplistic view that Kiki cheated on Morgan because of a kiss.

        Kiki and Morgan were legally married when Ava decided to bed her daughter's husband. Sleeping with your brand new son-in-law is cheating. Sleeping with your brand new mother-in-law is cheating. Sharing one kiss with someone before you are legally married is not right but it doesn't equate.
      • Shellyinphx
        #9.3
        Shellyinphx commented
        October 4, 2018, 02:57 PM
        Editing a comment
        Letting your daughter believe you are dead while you sleep with her boyfriend is so much worst then kiki sleeping with her mother's ex boyfriend...SO much worst
      • GQNEXISPHELLE
        #9.4
        GQNEXISPHELLE commented
        October 4, 2018, 04:09 PM
        Editing a comment
        chabby lp lover? she let kiki mourn her death while she did morgan. so yes she did do kiki way worse then kiki ever did her
    • #10
      I can't stand Kiki wish they kill her off, she is disgusting, period.

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      • #11
        Unbalanced storytelling with no one able to step up as a source of grounding human consideration? It doesn't help that neither Ava or Kiki has a trusted advisor/friend, or anyone even really interested in their family dynamic.

        I don't get it either. Regardless of what Ava's done in the past, it doesn't make her anger over this unjustified. And it's impossible to sympathize with Kiki when she refuses to even privately acknowledge that what she did hurt her mother.

        Instead, Ava gets told this is her karma, that she should reach out to her daughter, and when she does the two people that wronged her get in her face because she's angry. Neither one of them even acknowledged that Ava was there trying to hold out an olive branch.

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        • ScrubsFan#1
          #11.1
          ScrubsFan#1 commented
          October 4, 2018, 07:55 PM
          Editing a comment
          Ava had no olive branch for Griffin - she is happily destroying his life with a big ole cheshire grin on her face. He has apologized over and over and over again for what he did. And now he's fed up with her - and what she's doing. Kiki is just as fed up with Ava. She and Griffin had a ONS - and apologized for it. It's NEVER happened again - and they are trying to move on.

          All Ava is doing is pushing them even CLOSER together with her ranting and raving.
        • parker joe
          #11.2
          parker joe commented
          October 4, 2018, 08:39 PM
          Editing a comment
          I agree that Ava's pushing them together ...but I disagree that those apologies from Griff or Kiki were sincere or even scratched the surface of addressing the pain they caused her. They lied to her for MONTHS. So one or two apologies from Griff (and NONE from Kiki) before they launched into what a terrible person she was about the blanket or forcing Griffin to tell the truth...is their version of "sincerity"? MY EYE.

          Ava brought it up again the other day...that "mistake" (which Kiki has said was NEVER betrayal in the first place, and which she now admitted she wanted and enjoyed and wants to resume) KEEPS HAPPENING.

          And obviously by dating "with no apologies", at least one of them expects it to happen again and soon.

          As for Griff, sorry, Ava doesn't owe him an olive branch. All she's done was out HIS actions, which he claims he's fine paying for.

          She tried to come to some kind of cease fire with her daughter, which is the relationship she should be concerned about.
      • #12
        I agree with you, OP. And unlike Kiki, Ava did try to go to her and make it right. She spilled her heart out at the door just to be blindsided by Griffin being there and then both of them ganged up and were horrid to her. The woman was allowed no time to hurt over what had just been done to her by two people she loved.
        I think Kiki and Griffin have been absolutely deplorable in this. Yet here we are, supposed to blame everything on Ava.

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        • #13
          With the recent rumors, I think I know why.

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          • #14
            https://boards.soapcentral.com/core/avatars/0/0/3/9/9/4//thumbs/avatar140169_10.gif
            #9.2
            O_Snap! commented
            Today, 11:25 AM
            Kiki found out Morgan was lying to her in the middle of her wedding reception. She left the party with Michael and they hung out together that night and did not have sex. They were not shown to have had sex and they both stated they spent the rest of the night talking. Up until that point her and Michael only kissed once and both agreed that it was wrong #1 because they thought they were cousins and #2 because she was engaged to his brother. They agonized over that stupid kiss. I'm so over this simplistic view that Kiki cheated on Morgan because of a kiss.

            Kiki and Morgan were legally married when Ava decided to bed her daughter's husband. Sleeping with your brand new son-in-law is cheating. Sleeping with your brand new mother-in-law is cheating. Sharing one kiss with someone before you are legally married is not right but it doesn't equate.
            ----
            That's exactly what happened and I totally agree!

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            • #15
              Originally posted by BettieCat View Post
              I hate it for that very reason. Actually, a big part of the reason I root for Ava is because they pave her road with broken glass constantly.

              Plus, Carly is such a harpy and is constantly trying to take Ava's child (Avery) from her.
              Although there is a carly/ava scene coming, according to yesterday's preview, exactly when recently has Carly had anything to say about ava and Avery? When people use words like always or constantly, I bristle.

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              • bipalova
                #15.1
                bipalova commented
                October 5, 2018, 12:38 AM
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                Almost every conversation between the two is Carly rubbing Avery in her face.
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