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As they, Ciara, Ben and Hope, walked out of the cabin, Ciara looked back at Claire, more like glared at her. It's clear she will not be forgiving Claire anytime soon. And why should she have to? Unstable or not her niece tried to kill her twice. Despite Ben's mental instability he'll never be forgiven btw I totally get that. Also Gabi, despite Abby's mental instability she's never going to forgive her. And despite Claire's issues, Ciara may never forgive her and I'm ok with that. Makes it realistic. I get the Brady's are tight knit clan and all but something's are just unforgivable.
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I'm not bothered by Ciara not forgiving Claire I am bothered by her expecting everyone to bend over backwards to accept Ben and forgive him. She expects of others what she doesn't expect of herself.-
Yes, I looked backed at the episode. The discussion wasn't about forgiveness, it was regarding whether or not Ben started the fire. Ciara was discussing this with someone who actually KNEW who started the fire, too. I wonder how that knowledge will be reconciled, Commissioner? -
I have not seen or heard Ciara say that she expects anyone to forgive Ben.
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Ciara giving the side eye tells me she is obviously pissed off like anyone who almost got burned alive would be. She loves her niece but she is still allowed to be angry with her. If Ciara really wanted revenge she couldve lit Claire's arse on fire! But instead she tried to get a confession out of her and stated multiple times that Claire needs help.Comment
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What gets me is that, in this instance, she intentionally provoked Claire. She can give the pissed off side eye all she wants, it only proves to me that her claims of knowing Claire is sick amount to nothing and she can't take ownership of her part in making this situation happen. She's Claire's victim, of that there is zero doubt or debate. But she needs to decide where she stands (sickness vs. evil witch who just wanted to hurt her for no reason) and own up to her own stupidity.Comment
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She didn’t she provoke her when Claire didn’t see the side eye which she deserved. And can know she’s sick and still be angry the two aren’t mutually exclusive and the fact that you all act like she doesn’t have a right to angry is mind blogging and she has no part in this , The plan was fine until Eve text not she is the blame for Claire insecurities or her feeling inferior. And she never said Claire was a evil witch but Claire did want to hurt for no reason -
How can you possibly say she didn't provoke her? Tripp herself stated that they provoked her. Please stop saying I said things I didn't. -
Even if they did it doesn’t give Claire to right to attack
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I'm totally bothered by Ciara's glaring look at Claire. It makes her a giant hypocrite! She looks past all of Ben's sick, murdering ways and thinks of him as a saint now, but Claire still gets the evil eye from her? She has total empathy for Ben's mental illness, but can't find any for Claire, her own family? Again, HYPOCRITE!!!!Comment
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If looks could kill. As the old saying goes. For all Ciara telling Claire how much she loved her, I didn’t see any of it. But it’s understandable. I was trying to count the times Ciara has been kidnapped.Comment
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Claire literally JUST tried to kill Ciara moments before the "glare"...i dont see how Ciara is not being sensitive to Claire all because she gave her a cut eye lol. Like seriously how would you look at someone who just tried to burn you alive?? It doesnt matter if Claire is sick or not she tried to kill multiple people and they have a right to be upset, just like I keep hearing Ben's victims have a right to be upset with him, and they absolutely do! Ciara did not try to frame Claire for arson/murder, she did not attempt to burn Claire back, she did not physically attack her..all she did was glare...they are her eyes and she can do whatever she wants with them! Let the girl vent and be mad for goodness sakes smh! Claire will survive Ciara's glare...lolComment
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Historia exactly. Whether she forgives Claire or not is her business. She doesn't have to do anything but I have a feeling she will in time. -
AllBoHope TYVM for proving once again you do not watch the show and everything you stated is 100% false. She does not "detest" Claire, had you watched the show you would've seen where she stated multiple times that she LOVED Claire. She has not "pranced" around telling everyone that Ben is cured, she has only stated he has changed to those to who came to HER or those who have physically attacked her boyfriend/tried to frame him for arson & murder. She has never onscreen or in script told anyone to forgive Ben or asked them to like him. That is all lies, assumptions & surmising. If you can provide proof or a transcript of Ciara saying/doing those things that you falsely claim she does then please advise, thank you. -
AllBoHope That was not alook of detest Ciara gave Claire it was of anger she will forgive Claire in time and I have yet to see her tell anyone that Ben is cured or said that they have to like or accept him.
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I guess Abby was a giant hypocrite too when she tried to kill Ben because of the things he did to her.Originally posted by Beca Drags View Post
Minutes before that death glare Claire tried to kill Ciara.
The girl was still soaked in gasoline Claire poured on her to kill her and you wanted Ciara to have compassion for Claire in that moment?
That’s just unrealistic!Comment
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icyblue2034 That only means Ciara is human and she was traumatized by Claire and going through conflicting emotions that moment. Her feelings are legitimate and justified.
SHE ALMOST DIED!
Maybe in time she will make peace with what Claire did to her but don’t expect it to happen right now.
Oh and Ben didn’t earn Ciara’s forgiveness and compassion right away. It took them time to build that trust and friendship.Last edited by Historia; July 3, 2019, 08:17 AM. -
Didn't you hear? Abby is the only one allowed to forgive when she wants and seek revenge when she wants. She is above reproach lol -
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I’m actually surprised that Abby fans entered the chat after they spent months complaining about Ben getting a second chance. ??
If Ben doesn’t deserves it because of his crimes neither does Claire.
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That's a fair point. She shouldn't be fighting with Eve after this. Over what he did, I mean. The framing part she can absolutely fight Eve over.Originally posted by Beca Drags View Post
If she can acknowledge that Ben was sick when he hurt people but not Claire, then she can't run around defending him the way she has been anymore. The fact that she's the victim makes it personal, but it doesn't change the fact that sickness was involved with both. Ciara claims to know, but I'm not convinced. I guess we'll see if the boundless empathy for Ben makes an appearance for her own niece, or if she'll still look down on Claire the hateful same way she did when she rode Bo's motorcycle into Theo's vigil.Comment
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Claire's every bit as "mentally ill" as Ben! Nobody in their right mind chooses to kill! Even Ciara recognizes that, so her forgiveness will determine if she can only forgive someone who actually did murder OTHERS or also who "attempted" to murder her! If she can't find it in her heart to forgive Claire as she has Ben, then it's all about HER & she's a very self-serving, self-absorbed, & self centered character which is totally unappealing for my taste!Last edited by AllBoHope; July 3, 2019, 08:48 AM. -
The only killer that has targeted Ciara is Jordan and we don't know if Ciara will be able to forgive her because she showed no remorse for what she did to her. As for Claire she is not a killer she has not killed anyone. Ciara will probably forgive Claire because they are family and Claire is not psychopath without feelings. -
The writers literally wrote it into the cabin scenes. I honestly don't see how they could have been more plain other than to have the characters turn to the screen and blatantly say it in a 4th wall breaking scene.
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If soap would keep within a broad spectrum of human behavior, I could give it some thought, but it no longer does that.
A young, lovely, well-connected and talented woman goes around the bend, to the point where she tries to burn people to death, is so far beyond the bounds, we're into sci fi and comic book territory. What's the point of trying to predict the next frame?
How did we get here anyway? Was there some groundwork or did the writers find themselves tasked, for example, "We need to rehabilitate Ben and ORK's leaving, so let's hang it on Claire."
And we were already in bizarro world when Salem suffered yet another serial killer, and he returned free as a bird, and bonded with the lovely daughter of the princess Hope.
Soap characters were never real people, but now, they can't be real people.
Cartoons can't be analyzed.
The writers aren't analyzing them. They're only writing on the assumption that they have to set someone on fire to get our attention.Comment
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It was a rewrite precisely for Ben's sake as well as Haley's. That's why the groundwork is missing. Why it's so shaky and sloppy and sudden. There's enough to get the story they were getting at, but not enough to actually make it work. As you say, Claire going so far 'round the bend so fast is too much.
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Can Ciara live? We haven't even seen a convo between her and Claire yet. All of this stuff JUST happened. I don't understand why Ciara is being accused of things she hasn't done. I keep seeing she detests, hates & will not forgive Claire when A. Claire has NOT apologized, B, Ciara has NOT said any of those things, and C. Ciara HAS acknowledged Claire is sick and HAS said she "loves her". Can someone please provide proof of the things Ciara is being accused of? And I am not referring to assumptions/surmising, I am referring to transcripts or clips of her saying she hates Claire, she will never forgive her, or that she expects everyone to forgive Ben and be besties with him, thanks!Comment
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I'm commenting on my own comment to avoid getting that dreaded green screen.
I forgot to add, Ciara DID tell Claire that she needs help and she will get her the therapy she needs. Ciara DID ask Hope after what was going to happen to Claire. Ciara has shown nothing but support and love for her niece who tried to kill her twice. She can also be mad at the same time while still loving her.
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She can’t cause they hate her & her with Ben . Exactly to everything you said about her & Claire . They can’t provide the transcript or clips of her telling his victims anything caise it hasn’t happened it them saying she said these things so they can futher hate for no reasonOriginally posted by Flowercity79 View PostComment
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I really don't understand the rationale for haring Ciara just because she she is in love with Ben, if you all want to hate Ben that's fine he deserves the hate but Ciara shouldn't be judge for who she loves.Comment
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How Ben's victims felt should have been in Ciara's thoughts. They aren't alive to give Ben the eye.Comment
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