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  • tiff5555
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    BradyG As a general viewer, who like stories, I feel it is two sided. Very strongly so! I do understand people feel all sorts of things, but that is a beauty in the differences on what they say.

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  • BradyG
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    Originally posted by tiff5555 View Post
    Beca Drags You know Abby didn’t kill Andre in self defense. She was sane and didn't thought the lid can actually kill him. Plus she blamed it on Gabi's pic in GabiChic room. That was too, sane. And yes, Stefan did tried to help Abby, but Gabigail did not wanted him too. After that, Gabigail liked him and pursued him. That is how they ended up making love or having sex. In reality, it was a rape from Abby's side. The story is two sided...and people sees things differently, relate or what.
    Abby DID kill Andre in self defense. And STOP saying that what Stefan did to Abby was two-sided in an extremely pathetic attempt to absolve Stefan of what he did.

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  • Beca Drags
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    Originally posted by tiff5555 View Post
    Abby never killed Andre in self defense. Her life was not threatened by him. He pleaded to her. She stand there boldly, saying no. And found a opportunity to get away. She shouldn't have been a big guy to be a hero...now with her not serving the consequences, the justice department failed us
    tiff5555, it's obvious you don't want to buy it, but let's stick to the facts that have been played out on screen, and that is that Abby accidentally killed Andre in self-defense. She didn't go there to kill him, she didn't plot out a murder plan. She went there to defend Gabi being fired from her company and then it turned into more of a confrontation, with Abby finding out how Andre betrayed both Chad and Abigail. It upset her, but she wasn't angered enough to want to kill him. She immediately wanted to leave to go tell Chad and Andre prevented that by physically restraining her. Andre is the one that grabbed her, restraining her physically, holding her wrists and arms, preventing her from leaving, hurting her, which she stated more than once, pleading also for him to let her go. He didn't. She felt threatened and wanted him to release his hold on her, and that was her only intent when she hit him, which resulted in his accidental death by self-defense. He was a man, most definitely bigger than her, stronger than her, physically restraining her. He posed a threat and harm to her, which is why she felt no other choice than to hit him for him to release his strong physical hold he had on her.

    Like it or not, believe it or not, those are the facts!! Many people get exonerated everyday for deaths by using self-defense because they felt threatened. That's exactly what happened here.

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  • tiff5555
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    Abby never killed Andre in self defense. Her life was not threatened by him. He pleaded to her. She stand there boldly, saying no. And found a opportunity to get away. She shouldn't have been a big guy to be a hero...now with her not serving the consequences, the justice department failed us

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  • tiff5555
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    She did not killed Andre in self defense. She knocked him to just to get away. The guy was pleading to her, and she did not listen.

  • tiff5555
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    Abby did blamed on Gabi's pic in GabiChic room when sane! There was a flashback.

  • tiff5555
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    Abby has NEVER paid, my friend! She did not served her time in jail, and never been on trial.

  • Samisbiggestfan
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    Umm, Abby did pay. She was ripped baron her family to get mentally evaluated.

  • ALoyalSoapFan
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    "Oh poor me...oh woe is me"
    Actually, although, I didn't patent those words, that's what I've been saying about Abby & Chad for eons including recently but nice try LOL

  • Chabby lover
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    She did kill Andre in self-defense that was shown and Stefan never tried to help Abby at all he took advantage of her mental state. It was not two sided at all it was full on rape.

  • Chabby lover
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    She did not blame Gabi at all according to the alter Dr. Laura she came in after Andre died and she made Gabby when she went into Gabi's office and she did not blame Gabi at all. her DID started way before she went into the office it started after she KILLED Andre in self defnese

  • Beca Drags
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    Originally posted by tiff5555 View Post
    Beca Drags You know Abby didn’t kill Andre in self defense. She was sane and didn't thought the lid can actually kill him. Plus she blamed it on Gabi's pic in GabiChic room. That was too, sane. And yes, Stefan did tried to help Abby, but Gabigail did not wanted him too. After that, Gabigail liked him and pursued him. That is how they ended up making love or having sex. In reality, it was a rape from Abby's side. The story is two sided...and people sees things differently, relate or what.
    tiff5555 Please don't tell me that Abby didn't kill Andre in self-defense! That was the ABSOLUTE basis of her accidentally killing him. IT WAS SELF-DEFENSE!! That's what was portrayed and explained, ON SCREEN! If you don't want to believe it, fine, whatever....., but it's my right to believe what was shown and what the writing most definitely was portraying, and I based my opinion on that.

    When Abby found herself in the Gabi Chic office, that's when her mind was literally breaking/splintering so, NO, she WAS NOT SANE then!

    NO, Stefan did NOT try to help Abby. Please go by what played out on screen, and stop thinking of Stefan as some great hero, because HE IS NOT!!! He's the very definition of a sick predator and used Abby's illness against her. He never once told Chad, JJ, Jennifer, NO ONE that Abby was sick! He NEVER attempted to get her help!!!

    The alter "Gabby" could not have stopped him if he was a shred of a good person. He could have gotten help for Abigail immediately, but he didn't even try! The thinking that "Gabby" pursued him, and that's what stopped him from getting Abby help, is just rubbish, because SHE IS NOT REAL and Stefan knew that! Even Marlena told him that, but he ignored it for his own selfish purposes. Stefan had the upper hand there the whole time. He knew he was dealing with a sick Abigail, but he kept choosing to ignore that and treated "Gabby" as if she was real and making her believe she could live her own life outside Abigail. We know that was NOT POSSIBLE! "Gabby" could not live outside Abby, it wasn't possible, but Stefan ignored that and kept making this alter believe that. Abby got worse because of Stefan's selfishness and lack of attempt to get Abigail help. This whole mess was made worse BECAUSE OF STEFAN!!!!!

    He saw an opportunity to use her mental illness for his own selfish purposes, and he took it. There's nothing "two-sided" about this. Abby was sick and Stefan used her in her mental incapacity to find ways to stick it to Chad by forming his twisted version of "love" with Abby's alter, and then he also raped Abigail's body in her mental incapacity. Those are the facts that played out on screen, and that's what I base my opinion on!

    Originally posted by lovelydtc View Post

    Excellent breakdown. I love the woe is me at the end.
    Thank you! That seems to be Gabi's shtick these days, "Oh poor me...oh woe is me"!

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  • lovelydtc
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    Originally posted by Beca Drags View Post
    BabyblueYR Here's a longer detailed description of how this story played out......

    *Stefan did become obsessed with Abby, but realized he would never have her and that she would never love or want him because she was utterly devoted to and in love with ONLY Chad, and always would be. Abigail's DID illness presented an opportunity for Stefan to have "some obscure part of her" So his obsession deepened to basically, being obsessed with a glitch in Abby's brain, wearing a wig. He was told by Marlena, the alters are NOT real, but he ignored that advice.

    *Abby accidentally killed Andre in self-defense, after she went to confront him on why he fired Gabi, and then she overheard him talking to himself, how he had betrayed Chad and Abigail by working with Vivian to gain power at DiMera. She told Andre she was going to tell Chad and a physical struggle ensued and he physically restrained her, to which she felt threatened and reached for something to put a stop to his physical restraint, and it accidentally ended up killing him. Then her mind splintered because it was so traumatizing to her. It splintered into a form of "Gabi/Gabby" because she had just come from seeing Gabi who vowed she would kill Andre and because she ended up in the Gabi chic office where fragments of Gabi were all around. All of these fragments helped unintentionally form the alter in Abby's mind and because of how viewed Gabi as a strong person that could shield Abigail from the harsh reality of killing Andre, and could handle this tough situation. She didn't intentionally blame it on Gabi. Abby had no idea that Gabi was being blamed.

    *Stefan NEVER, NOT ONCE tried to help Abby. He kept his mouth shut when he saw how ill she was and used her mental illness against her and loved sticking it to Chad, with vague digs here and there.

    *Gabby" pursuing" Stefan doesn't matter, Stefan is the one that should have put a STOP to it, immediately and he didn't. He enjoyed using Abigail's mental break for his own selfish lust and purposes, including raping Abigail in that mental incapacity. Abigail also did have a chance to make it clear she was NOT consenting to sex when she emerged for a few minutes in her lucid mind, and realized what was about to happen. She screamed for help to get away, but he held her physically, and manipulated her fragile mind again to bring the alter back out so he could feel he had consent for sex. He just ignored Abigail's objection and NON-consent to sex and raped Abby's body anyway.

    *Abby willingly confessed to the police when she realized she did kill Andre by accident, and when she realized all her alters had done, including hitting Kate, Vivian, Marlena over the head and sealing them in the dungeon room, all while the alter "Gabby" was out and in charge.(Abby had no knowledge that her alter did any of that) It was portrayed and explained, it was accidental and self-defense in killing Andre, and Chad made the DA see that trying a mentally ill woman that accidentally killed in self-defense wouldn't do any good. So the DA concurred and Abby left town for intense therapy. Yes, they should have shown it more in depth, and it should have been longer, but poor writing presented itself once again and it wasn't given the depth it should have been.

    *The real Gabi was set up by Stefan(He actually hid the evidence in Ari's bag or he had someone do it) Abby nor the alters did that. Also, yes, Dr. Laura too, by lying on the stand saying Gabi confessed to the killing (Again Abby had no knowledge or control of the alter Dr. Laura)

    *Gabi was beaten up in jail because she had previously, months ago, interfered in a police investigation, she was warned to stay away from, that exposed Raines' crimes, to where he kidnapped Gabi, again because she put herself into a situation she was warned to stay away from. Gabi Getting Raines exposed, pissed off Raines' girlfriend who was already in jail, and that's what led to Gabi being beaten.

    *Gabi was told by Kayla her chances for another child in the future COULD BE compromised. Kayla NEVER said, she can't for sure and Gabi hasn't even tried to find a second or third opinion. She is just taking Kayla's vague diagnosis as a death sentence to her fertility, because it supports her "woe is me" act.
    Excellent breakdown. I love the woe is me at the end.

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  • tiff5555
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    Beca Drags You know Abby didn’t kill Andre in self defense. She was sane and didn't thought the lid can actually kill him. Plus she blamed it on Gabi's pic in GabiChic room. That was too, sane. And yes, Stefan did tried to help Abby, but Gabigail did not wanted him too. After that, Gabigail liked him and pursued him. That is how they ended up making love or having sex. In reality, it was a rape from Abby's side. The story is two sided...and people sees things differently, relate or what.

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  • Beca Drags
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    BabyblueYR Here's a longer detailed description of how this story played out......

    *Stefan did become obsessed with Abby, but realized he would never have her and that she would never love or want him because she was utterly devoted to and in love with ONLY Chad, and always would be. Abigail's DID illness presented an opportunity for Stefan to have "some obscure part of her" So his obsession deepened to basically, being obsessed with a glitch in Abby's brain, wearing a wig. He was told by Marlena, the alters are NOT real, but he ignored that advice.

    *Abby accidentally killed Andre in self-defense, after she went to confront him on why he fired Gabi, and then she overheard him talking to himself, how he had betrayed Chad and Abigail by working with Vivian to gain power at DiMera. She told Andre she was going to tell Chad and a physical struggle ensued and he physically restrained her, to which she felt threatened and reached for something to put a stop to his physical restraint, and it accidentally ended up killing him. Then her mind splintered because it was so traumatizing to her. It splintered into a form of "Gabi/Gabby" because she had just come from seeing Gabi who vowed she would kill Andre and because she ended up in the Gabi chic office where fragments of Gabi were all around. All of these fragments helped unintentionally form the alter in Abby's mind and because of how viewed Gabi as a strong person that could shield Abigail from the harsh reality of killing Andre, and could handle this tough situation. She didn't intentionally blame it on Gabi. Abby had no idea that Gabi was being blamed.

    *Stefan NEVER, NOT ONCE tried to help Abby. He kept his mouth shut when he saw how ill she was and used her mental illness against her and loved sticking it to Chad, with vague digs here and there.

    *Gabby" pursuing" Stefan doesn't matter, Stefan is the one that should have put a STOP to it, immediately and he didn't. He enjoyed using Abigail's mental break for his own selfish lust and purposes, including raping Abigail in that mental incapacity. Abigail also did have a chance to make it clear she was NOT consenting to sex when she emerged for a few minutes in her lucid mind, and realized what was about to happen. She screamed for help to get away, but he held her physically, and manipulated her fragile mind again to bring the alter back out so he could feel he had consent for sex. He just ignored Abigail's objection and NON-consent to sex and raped Abby's body anyway.

    *Abby willingly confessed to the police when she realized she did kill Andre by accident, and when she realized all her alters had done, including hitting Kate, Vivian, Marlena over the head and sealing them in the dungeon room, all while the alter "Gabby" was out and in charge.(Abby had no knowledge that her alter did any of that) It was portrayed and explained, it was accidental and self-defense in killing Andre, and Chad made the DA see that trying a mentally ill woman that accidentally killed in self-defense wouldn't do any good. So the DA concurred and Abby left town for intense therapy. Yes, they should have shown it more in depth, and it should have been longer, but poor writing presented itself once again and it wasn't given the depth it should have been.

    *The real Gabi was set up by Stefan(He actually hid the evidence in Ari's bag or he had someone do it) Abby nor the alters did that. Also, yes, Dr. Laura too, by lying on the stand saying Gabi confessed to the killing (Again Abby had no knowledge or control of the alter Dr. Laura)

    *Gabi was beaten up in jail because she had previously, months ago, interfered in a police investigation, she was warned to stay away from, that exposed Raines' crimes, to where he kidnapped Gabi, again because she put herself into a situation she was warned to stay away from. Gabi Getting Raines exposed, pissed off Raines' girlfriend who was already in jail, and that's what led to Gabi being beaten.

    *Gabi was told by Kayla her chances for another child in the future COULD BE compromised. Kayla NEVER said, she can't for sure and Gabi hasn't even tried to find a second or third opinion. She is just taking Kayla's vague diagnosis as a death sentence to her fertility, because it supports her "woe is me" act.

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