03-30-2013, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the welcome!
I see what you are saying about Lori and how seeing her is like a beacon to him of the right thing to do. There has to be a reason why she appears to him in white.
To me, the Governor is a great character and part of me hopes he's around next season. While they have been fighting the Walkers, there's really nothing evil about them. They are just trying to survive. The Governor is different, and its like nothing can be truly evil like a human.
03-31-2013, 10:06 PM
Well.... I did not expect that ending at all.
03-31-2013, 10:09 PM
Wow! Just wow! Will discuss tomorrow so as not to spoil it for the West Coasters.
03-31-2013, 10:16 PM
Amazing ending. And so the wait for October begins.
03-31-2013, 10:27 PM
Epic finale, did not see it ending the way it did, can't wait for the next season, Octbober is so far off.
03-31-2013, 10:59 PM
Not technically The Walking Dead, but the follow-up show The Talking Dead. Did anyone seriously get creeped out by that caller?
03-31-2013, 11:29 PM
^ I heard about that, but I didn't watch it. What did he/she say?
03-31-2013, 11:47 PM
I didn't I was surprised.
Originally Posted by Cathalina
No clue what he said, but I think it was religious. Hardwick took it in stride, he called it a phone bomb.
Originally Posted by Tarpeia
04-01-2013, 12:03 AM
It was religious, just the way he said it. That voice and the heavy breathing before he started. The guy who players Tyreese was hilarious "did that really just happen?"
04-01-2013, 12:07 AM
^Wow, ok that does sound weird lol.
04-01-2013, 06:24 AM
Too many commercials for my liking. Didn't feel bad for Andrea because I felt it was coming but felt sad for Michonne. They definitely have a problem with Carl though........yikes.
04-01-2013, 01:37 PM
Let me preface this with I understand that this show kills off main character and it can/should be different than the comics.
But really, her death sucked. She survived so much and proved to be pretty badass. She got through being left at the farm, fending off walkers all night, all winter with just Michonne, traveling from Woodberry to the prison on foot, but she couldn't deal with just one walker. If they really wanted to kill her, they should have had the Gov actually torture her and she dies from those injuries. (after somehow escaping naturally) Not by her having every oppertunity to escape, but she chooses to chat with Milton instead.
04-01-2013, 03:01 PM
If my life DEPENDED on it, I really THINK that I could work at reaching those pliers WHILE talking to Milton. It seemed as though she didn't really put much effort into it until Milton died. Her bad-assness was elusive, right at the moment when it was most needed. I guess that makes for suspenseful TV, but it also makes for stupid. On second thought, that plays right in character for Andrea. Nevermind.
Speaking of stupid, were the Governor's last two henchmen infected with a giant dose of it, this episode? They gotta know that they're destined to be in the crosshairs of the Governor's rifle sights, sooner than later, based on his cray-cray disposition as of late. Where did they go, by the way? Death takes a holiday time?
Now IMO, Carl was forced to take down that kid. The kid was told to put his weapon down, and he didn't do it. When you are the "unknown" and you have a weapon pointed at you, in order to demonstrate that you want to all get along, you do what you're told. The kid seemed to want to negotiate with Carl and told Carl to take his weapon from him, which could have just been an innocent stupid kid move, or it could also have been an act of aggression, and when you have someone that you cannot be sure of - will he try to take me down when I reach for his weapon, or is he going to end up being a good guy - you HAVE to err on the side of caution. Sadly, at his young age, Carl seems to already understand that there can be no gray areas when it comes to what will keep him and his people alive. He has learned better than anyone that he can't just lead with kindness anymore. You tell those "unknowns" that cross your path what you need them to do, and if they fail to do so with a weapon pointed at them, it's too bad, so sad time. I can see why Carl is not happy about all the new people coming into his sanctuary, that his dad brought over from Woodbury. To him, they are all just a bunch of "unknowns" that have suddenly been told that they can live with him. I would assume that these folks are grateful for the act of kindness, but Carl has no grey areas anymore. There could be trouble.
04-01-2013, 04:02 PM
I think Carl did the right thing. The guy didn't drop his gun fast enough and Carl was only looking out for his group. Why do you think cops always say to the criminals to drop their weapons immediately?
04-01-2013, 04:04 PM
^^ That's exactly my point. It makes absolutely no sense that she would wait that long to get the pliers. I don't care which character we're talking about. It's convenient stupidity. The Walking Dead used to avoid that (for the most part).
As for the Gov's henchmen, why is nobody complaining about them killing the Gov? They had a perfect chance when he was massacring the town's people. At that point, they realized he was completely unhinged.
Carl's a little sociopath in the making. There were some parallels between his speech and the govs. Like you mentioned, it's because of the environment he grew up in. He really can't remember what he used to be like before the apocalypse.
04-01-2013, 08:25 PM
First the Andrea situation. I think everyone was screaming at Andrea last night, less talk more work please. When a man who is about to turn into a Walker tells you to get the pliers and free yourself then find a sharp object to put through his head then add to that he told you to hurry, you move a little faster and do a lot less talking. Andrea made some seriously poor choices this season, she trusted the wrong person and even when her eyes were opened to the "Govenor's" true nature she chose to stay even though she had two opportunities to leave. I am sorry but I truly was not sorry to see her die, she had become the new Lori for me.
Carl may have made the right choice but he is tuening into a lil sociopath, Rick is going to have some serious trouble on his hand next season.
The "Governor's" henchmen are idiots, scared idiots but idiots none the less. Why neither of them took a shot was some bad writing.
Over at the IMDB board, some are posting that Laurie Holder was very upset about being killed off and so was Robert Kirkman(the creator of TWD), the writers and maybe AMC, perhaps that was why Glen Mazzara was fired. Don't know if any of this is true but if it is then that sucks, because LH was a good actress and they could have redeemed Andrea without killing her off.
04-01-2013, 08:58 PM
Yes, I hated they kept going to commercial break.
Originally Posted by Penelope P
04-01-2013, 09:11 PM
What Carl did was understandable but the kid would have been executed by the Governor anyway. That's the cold part about that situation. I think that was the kid with the asthma and if his mother is now with Rick and the group, I'm betting she'll over hear what happened to her son. Mother of Asthma boy might go crazy herself cause she tried to be protective of her son.
Originally Posted by Tarpeia
04-01-2013, 09:23 PM
Some theories of why The Governor didn't go back to Woodbury sooner.
Originally Posted by GoodWillTalking
I think the reason they didn't go back to Woodbury sooner is they wanted to make it look like they were in battle for a long time instead of just 30 seconds. The Governor would have had to go back and explain what happened to all his dead soldiers.
Martinez jumped out the truck not wanting to go back to Woodbury and The Governor has been trying to find Martinez all night like he did with Andrea who ran away.
04-01-2013, 10:14 PM
That wasn't the asthma kid. Both of the boys look way too different unless they rewrite or recasted. I also want to add that the governor attacked too soon without training most of his soldiers. He only gave them guns and that's it. In an army, they don't just give soldiers guns and just say go kill people now. Humans don't know how to handle that and would be scared to death even if they know their lives are in danger.
Originally Posted by Hope4BetterDays
Last edited by Tarpeia; 04-01-2013 at 10:19 PM.
04-01-2013, 10:37 PM
^ You're right. It wasn't him who Carl killed but I just found out that asthma boy mother is Karen from wikipedia. She is the person who lead Rick back to Woodbury after the excutions. Her asthmatic son name is Noah and he's 14. The kid who Carl killed name was Jody. Unless Karen had two sons, Carl shot a stranger.
04-01-2013, 10:48 PM
Just a couple of things about an otherwise stellar episode, IMO.
Andrea - I just got the feeling that she was tired and kind of gave up on a way. When she was talking with Milton, it almost seemed like she was explaining her actions and that she didn't want anyone to die. She did fight, but not as hard as she could have. It was almost as if she was more afraid of not being understood than actually dying.
The Governor and the Two Idiots - I agree with the poster above that the two henchmen are candidates for the Darwin award. Getting back I the truck made them dumber than the Walkers. Also, why is it no one kills the Governor when they have him dead to rights. I mean Andrea, Rick, the guys in the truck, etc. Do they think this guy can be redeemed? I say let Carl at him.
Rick - Congrats on getting over your paranoia on letting new people in and not seeing dead people anymore. Now, remember that little boy you've been treating like an adult? The one who just lost his mother? Time to start parenting again.